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by Paul the Uncertain
Thu Feb 01, 2024 1:28 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On the use of "historicists" to label the people absolutely persuaded about the historicity of Jesus
Replies: 39
Views: 1453

Re: On the use of "historicists" to label the people absolutely persuaded about the historicity of Jesus

Jesus realist? This is actually a good problem :) . FWIW, I see the "debate" as framed by the "Talking Jesus" survey question about which better describes the respondent's opinion: Jesus was a real man who actually lived. Jesus was a fictional or mythological character. (with th...
by Paul the Uncertain
Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:56 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: John the Baptist, redivivus of a 2015 article
Replies: 101
Views: 4635

Re: John the Baptist, redivivus of a 2015 article

"Blather" was a responsive and truthful answer to your question. I posted to follow up on the point made by a different poster. Since you have moved on past his point, and have declined the invitation to revisit it, I withdraw.
by Paul the Uncertain
Wed Jan 31, 2024 5:03 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: John the Baptist, redivivus of a 2015 article
Replies: 101
Views: 4635

Re: John the Baptist, redivivus of a 2015 article

Ken, It sounds like you are now withdrawing what you were granting earlier: ... Is that correct? I granted something arguendo . Had discussion continued about what can be concluded under that assumption, then I would happily have continued, but so far that discussion hasn't resumed. As the parenthet...
by Paul the Uncertain
Wed Jan 31, 2024 4:23 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: John the Baptist, redivivus of a 2015 article
Replies: 101
Views: 4635

Re: John the Baptist, redivivus of a 2015 article

Maybe it is deja vu. But I don't think we've cleared up G'don's objection, and maybe before we gallop off in a different direction, we should nail down the most important point, that Josephus does in fact attribute the destruction of the city and temple to a vengeful deity moved to wrath by murder i...
by Paul the Uncertain
Wed Jan 31, 2024 2:53 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: John the Baptist, redivivus of a 2015 article
Replies: 101
Views: 4635

Re: John the Baptist, redivivus of a 2015 article

But I contend that Origen could not plausibly have read the fragment of Hegesippus otherwise than as implying that the siege of Vespasian was brought about by what the Jews did to James. Putting aside that the statement may be a transitional remark by Eusebius and never seen by Origen. Let's assume...
by Paul the Uncertain
Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:48 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On the use of "historicists" to label the people absolutely persuaded about the historicity of Jesus
Replies: 39
Views: 1453

Re: On the use of "historicists" to label the people absolutely persuaded about the historicity of Jesus

Returning to the original complaint, Jesus historicism is not a noun, but it is a noun phrase. That is, the whole phrase can convey a specific meaning of its own which is different from what someone might infer from the meanings of its component parts. Colleague Hansen is well within their prerogati...
by Paul the Uncertain
Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:24 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: John the Baptist Passage interpolated in Josephus
Replies: 22
Views: 1550

Re: John the Baptist Passage interpolated in Josephus

You are correct. That is a serious argument and deserves a considered answer. I'm trying to finish off a writing project within the next two days, but I hope to get to it soon.... Not to distract Ken from deadlined work, and so just following Giuseppe's prompt about the 'purpose of baptism' portion...
by Paul the Uncertain
Tue Jan 30, 2024 2:36 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: John the Baptist Passage interpolated in Josephus
Replies: 22
Views: 1550

Re: John the Baptist Passage interpolated in Josephus

No, I'm not saying that without the knowledge of Hegesippus from Eusebius I would necessarily believe that Josephus wrote 'called Christ' in Ant. 20.200. If I remember well the Carrier's article on Antiquities 20:200, he wrote that, if he had limited himself to point out the mere possibility that J...
by Paul the Uncertain
Sat Jan 13, 2024 10:14 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Zinner's argument about the Testimonium Flavianum and Emmaus
Replies: 8
Views: 869

Re: Zinner's argument about the Testimonium Flavianum and Emmaus

Goldberg presented last March at the SBL Global Virtual Meeting. He distributed a mature draft of his statistical argument, and his 1995 paper. My personal interpretation is that the new statistical material (tests for overlapping content and sequence matching compared with other Christian descripti...