Search found 1822 matches

by spin
Thu Feb 03, 2022 7:31 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
Replies: 172
Views: 33137

Re: Why Paul never quotes Jesus

It's irrelevant whether it's convention to assume the prior adherents of the Christian sect were Christian, Did the Jerusalem people know anything about Jesus before Paul told them his gospel? I think that is quite a relevant question. Paul is our earliest writer on the subject of Jesus. Working fr...
by spin
Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:13 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
Replies: 172
Views: 33137

Re: Why Paul never quotes Jesus

[Paul] does not seem like he was at all interested in whatever Jesus said or did here on Earth. Had Jesus said or done anything on earth at the time of Paul's writing? We simply assume by convention that the Jerusalem people were "Christian", though nothing indicates that they were. We on...
by spin
Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:28 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is 1 Cor 11:23-27 an Interpolation? (split)
Replies: 153
Views: 76092

Re: The last supper; it is between Luke and Paul

Last but not least, observe the refinement and perfection in Luke->Mark->Matthew Luke υπερ υμων εκχυννομενον Mark το εκχυννομενον υπερ πολλων Matthew το περι πολλων εκχυννομενον That's a classic case of elaboration and expansion right there. The author of Mark tends to write more simply than the ot...
by spin
Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:45 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Back to the Nazareth Issue
Replies: 26
Views: 5113

Re: Back to the Nazareth Issue

Would someone only reading the Septuagint be able to distinguish between the different Hebrew sibilants? The only people who needed to distinguish Hebrew sibilants were the translators and they did it a hellovalot, rendering them quite consistently, so that readers didn't have to. An interesting &q...
by spin
Tue Feb 01, 2022 8:20 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Back to the Nazareth Issue
Replies: 26
Views: 5113

Re: Some incontrovertible facts about Nazareth

Philo's evidence would also be quite useful here as he talks of εκκλησιαι in terms that evoke the notion of the θιασος, but after the effort to refind the citation for Josephus's θιασοι, I don't have the energy. Philo - {**Yonge's title, A Treatise on the Principle that the Worse is Accustomed to b...
by spin
Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:01 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
Replies: 172
Views: 33137

Re: Why Paul never quotes Jesus

Lol. It's fine to impress the rubes with fancy words like "infix" and "morpheme," but everyone can see that you're not even saying what "the morphological issue" is. If you care to cite an authoritative lexicon or grammar of koine Greek to the effect that this type of ...
by spin
Tue Feb 01, 2022 10:56 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
Replies: 172
Views: 33137

Re: Why Paul never quotes Jesus

Now for the Lukan source: Mt 26 Mk 14 Lk 22 1 Cor 11 26 ...Jesus took a loaf of bread, and after blessing it he broke it, λαβων ο ιησους αρτον ευλογησας εκλασεν 22 ...he took a loaf of bread, and after blessing it he broke it, λαβων αρτον ευλογησας εκλασεν 19 Then he took a loaf of bread, and when ...
by spin
Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:32 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
Replies: 172
Views: 33137

Re: Why Paul never quotes Jesus

You seriously have to do better than this. Well that's condescending. I guess I'm not surprised. A person who is constantly saying "there is no alternative to my interpretation!" is, when challenged, not likely to be fair or polite, much less interested in alternative perspectives. At lea...
by spin
Mon Jan 31, 2022 4:30 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Back to the Nazareth Issue
Replies: 26
Views: 5113

Re: Some incontrovertible facts about Nazareth

I frown at everyone who even mentions Q, let alone bases anything on it as it simply doesn't exist, but for the rest I agree completely You keep frowning. But do try to understand the chronological significance that was indicated. The shared material between Mt & Lk indicates a commonality betw...
by spin
Mon Jan 31, 2022 6:27 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
Replies: 172
Views: 33137

Re: Why Paul never quotes Jesus

Paul's ritual meal has been turned into a Last Supper with the close citation from Luke's gospel. The dependence of that on Mark is evident, so the origin of 1 Cor 11:23b-25 is based on that chain, Mark > Luke > 1 Cor. One cannot justify any other trajectory based on a linguistic analysis of 1 Cor ...