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by Peter Kirby
Tue Jun 09, 2015 12:42 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul -- A Basic Stylometric Study
Replies: 50
Views: 20373

Re: Paul -- A Basic Stylometric Study

Lastly, we'll subtract Philemon and Philippians. The corpus of "Paul" used for training is thus reduced to 1 Cor, 2 Cor, Gal (shorter), and 1 Thess. In this context, even that second half of the 'shorter' letter of Romans is getting to be a very narrow match. There might seem to be somethi...
by Peter Kirby
Tue Jun 09, 2015 12:26 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul -- A Basic Stylometric Study
Replies: 50
Views: 20373

Re: Paul -- A Basic Stylometric Study

Now let's subtract Colossians. We're now using the most common scholarly definition of the rest of Paul--the letters 1 Cor, 2 Cor, Gal (albeit shorter), 1 Thess, Phillipians, and Philemon. We still see the same thing happening with 'shorter' Romans: one match. Possibly the first half has not removed...
by Peter Kirby
Tue Jun 09, 2015 12:05 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul -- A Basic Stylometric Study
Replies: 50
Views: 20373

Re: Paul -- A Basic Stylometric Study

Now let's subtract Ephesians (Laodiceans?). Things start going a little bit to "hell" for Romans. It's still possible/plausible that the 'shorter' epistle is authentic "Paul" (without Eph), as it still gets one match. However, the 'additions' and all three parts of the 'longer' R...
by Peter Kirby
Mon Jun 08, 2015 11:51 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul -- A Basic Stylometric Study
Replies: 50
Views: 20373

Re: Paul -- A Basic Stylometric Study

Okay, then, well, back to the stylometry and back to measuring how well the sections of Romans rate against the rest of "Paul." Perhaps we'll find some clues to our questions here yet. We've now subtracted 2 Thessalonians from the training set. The two 'shorter' sections still are matched ...
by Peter Kirby
Mon Jun 08, 2015 11:15 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Sheer volume
Replies: 39
Views: 17427

Re: Sheer volume

As a matter of fact, the latest scholarship for both canonical and non-canonical texts allows scholars to place certain reflections and actions that have been traced to Jesus along a sliding scale from most likely to least likely. This sliding scale is not geared to vague preferences for one idea o...
by Peter Kirby
Mon Jun 08, 2015 11:10 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul -- A Basic Stylometric Study
Replies: 50
Views: 20373

Re: Paul -- A Basic Stylometric Study

The type of "self-plagiarism" you're suggesting would pretty much require Paul to have written written Ephesians after writing Colossians, with the latter still unsent sitting on his desk for comparison. Possible, I suppose. Yes. Unless it were Colossians that were written with reference ...
by Peter Kirby
Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:42 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul -- A Basic Stylometric Study
Replies: 50
Views: 20373

Re: Paul -- A Basic Stylometric Study

Isn't one of the (many) signs of forgery in the deutero-paulines that they copy the contents of other epistles in a way that an authentic epistle would not? As a non-stylometric question, I'm not really so sure about this. Consider that "Ephesians" is called "Laodiceans" in the ...
by Peter Kirby
Mon Jun 08, 2015 10:14 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul -- A Basic Stylometric Study
Replies: 50
Views: 20373

Re: Paul -- A Basic Stylometric Study

Isn't one of the (many) signs of forgery in the deutero-paulines that they copy the contents of other epistles in a way that an authentic epistle would not? E.g. 2 Thessalonians copying from 1 Thessalonians to appear Pauline, Ephesians copying about 50% of Colossians, etc. Naturally, if you build a...
by Peter Kirby
Mon Jun 08, 2015 9:56 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul -- A Basic Stylometric Study
Replies: 50
Views: 20373

Re: Paul -- A Basic Stylometric Study

So far we have shown that it is possible to start with 1 Corinthians and with 'shorter' Romans and show that the samples match closest to the rest of their text. We've also shown that it is possible to start with 'shorter'/'longer' Romans and with 1 Corinthians and show that the samples of 2 Corinth...
by Peter Kirby
Mon Jun 08, 2015 9:27 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Paul -- A Basic Stylometric Study
Replies: 50
Views: 20373

Re: Paul -- A Basic Stylometric Study

That's not exactly good for 'Philemon'. Apparently Colossians fares better on its own than it does with its junior partner. But wait... there's more! You see, if we add Ephesians to the mix, or if we add Ephesians and 2 Thessalonians to the mix, then the picture changes. The result was negative wit...