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by MrMacSon
Mon Apr 22, 2024 7:43 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Every time Paul mentions Mark, he also mentions Luke
Replies: 19
Views: 314

Re: Every time Paul mentions Mark, he also mentions Luke

3 . Its Anti-Marcionite. What you should be reading is Mark and Luke, not the nameless Evangelion.[/color] If it were really Paul's gospel, surely he 1 would have mentioned it no? 1 What do you mean by this? Who's 'he' there? " He " is Paul . Recall, Marcion is trying to claim the mantle ...
by MrMacSon
Mon Apr 22, 2024 7:30 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Every time Paul mentions Mark, he also mentions Luke
Replies: 19
Views: 314

Re: Every time Paul mentions Mark, he also mentions Luke

Side note: Interesting that Mark is associated with Paul, not Peter. I would interpret this as evidence that the final recension of the NT happened before Papias was able to write up that bit about Mark being Peter's translator and author of Peter's gospel. We only have Eusebius's [and Irenaeus's] ...
by MrMacSon
Mon Apr 22, 2024 7:14 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Every time Paul mentions Mark, he also mentions Luke
Replies: 19
Views: 314

Re: Every time Paul mentions Mark, he also mentions Luke

According to my hobbyhorse, these would have been put there by the redactor of the first recension of the canonical NT. They serve several purposes: 1. they [Mark and Luke] are both associated with T HE apostle, Paul. Over and over. Repeatedly. But they're not repeatedly associated with The Apostle...
by MrMacSon
Mon Apr 22, 2024 7:02 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Every time Paul mentions Mark, he also mentions Luke
Replies: 19
Views: 314

Re: 'John Mark'

Acts 12 :12: And when [Peter] had considered the thing, he came to the house of Mary the mother of John, whose surname was Mark; where many were gathered together praying. Acts 12 :25 And Barnabas and Saul returned from Jerusalem, when they had fulfilled their ministry, and took with them John, who...
by MrMacSon
Mon Apr 22, 2024 6:54 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Every time Paul mentions Mark, he also mentions Luke
Replies: 19
Views: 314

Every time Paul mentions Mark, he also mentions Luke

Every time Paul mentions Luke, he also mentions Mark (and vice versa): see 2 Timothy 4 :11, Colossians 4 :10-14 and Philemon verse 24. (dunno what to make of this) 2 Timothy 4 :11: Only Luke is with me. Get Mark and bring him with you, because he is helpful to me in my ministry. in the context of 2 ...
by MrMacSon
Mon Apr 22, 2024 5:58 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion
Replies: 37
Views: 503

Re: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion

Origen's Contra Celsus book II, chapter 4 (in part): ... Now, certainly the introduction to Christianity is through the Mosaic worship and the prophetic writings; and after the introduction, it is in the interpretation and explanation of these that progress takes place, while those who are introduce...
by MrMacSon
Mon Apr 22, 2024 5:32 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: back to the drawing board? the missing sondergut Marcion
Replies: 37
Views: 503

Re: Paul's gospel

Paul's references to 'my gospel" could be glosses added into the Pauline epistles by editors or collators or the Marcionite canon glosses added into the Pauline epistles by editors or final redactors of the orthodox canon, or, they could, in fact, be original They [ie. Paul's references to my g...
by MrMacSon
Sun Apr 21, 2024 9:16 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Monarchianism, Sabellianism, and Arianism
Replies: 6
Views: 203

Re: Monarchianism, Sabellianism, and Arianism

. "Arius' entire effort consisted precisely in acclimatizing Plotinic logic within biblical creationism." Arianism It is variably said that Arianism held that the pre-existent Son of God was directly created by the Father, before all ages; that the Son is distinct and subordinate to God t...
by MrMacSon
Sun Apr 21, 2024 6:37 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Monarchianism, Sabellianism, and Arianism
Replies: 6
Views: 203

Re: Monarchianism, Sabellianism, and Arianism

Homoousion / ὁμοούσιον,  'same in being, same in essence.' From ὁμός, homós , "same"; and οὐσία, ousía , "essence" (later "being"). Oὐσία is an Ancient Greek noun, formed on the feminine present participle of the verb εἰμί, eimí , meaning "to be, I am" (so, si...
by MrMacSon
Sun Apr 21, 2024 5:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Monarchianism, Sabellianism, and Arianism
Replies: 6
Views: 203

The Monarchian Prologues

The Monarchian Prologues https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchian_Prologues These are a set of Latin introductions to the four canonical gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John with a Monarchian perspective. They were (+/- still are) thought to have been written in the second or third century by a ...