Are there any known Marcion-Johannine readings? That is, readings attested for Marcion that he has in common with John alone among the canonical gospels?
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Ken
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- Mon Apr 15, 2024 7:40 am
- Forum: Academic Discussion
- Topic: Are there Marcion-Johannine readings?
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- Sun Apr 14, 2024 8:04 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
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Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
The argument is not that verse 4:15 is designed to explain completely the verse 4:14. The argument is that the explicit epitet of 'physician' requires an equally explicit exorcism story before the episode of Nazareth. It can't require an implicit hearsay about previous exorcisms, because even the n...
- Sun Apr 14, 2024 7:33 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
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Also, Jesus' claim that the people will doubtless say 'Physician, heal thyself" is a presupposition that there is something wrong with Jesus, which in all likelihood is that he is possessed by a spirit, which he is. Very easy confutation: verse 4:14-16 explains enough well the part ' heal hims...
- Sun Apr 14, 2024 6:16 am
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Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Thesis 11
Many of the passages in the synoptics labeled as Anti-Marcionite can very plausibly be understood otherwise, as common Christian supercessionism (of Judaism) or as Matthew or Luke's theological corrections of Mark (or Luke's of Matthew).
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Ken
Many of the passages in the synoptics labeled as Anti-Marcionite can very plausibly be understood otherwise, as common Christian supercessionism (of Judaism) or as Matthew or Luke's theological corrections of Mark (or Luke's of Matthew).
Best,
Ken
- Sun Apr 14, 2024 6:09 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
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Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
Please. Why not read Mein Kampf and draw from it the "essential characteristics" of the Jewish people or Luther's "The Jews and their Lies"? It's a joke these theses. No one knows what the "Antitheses" were. No has the original text of Irenaeus's Adversus Marcionem upo...
- Sun Apr 14, 2024 5:56 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
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Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
10 Theses on Marcion and the Evangelion 1) Marcion created the Evangelion primarily from Luke, mostly by removing material he believed to have been interpolated into the original gospel by Judaizers. In traditional synoptic problem terms, it is attested that the Evangelion has a good many of Luke’s...
- Sat Apr 13, 2024 3:09 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: a neglected Marcionite gospel reference
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Re: a neglected Marcionite gospel reference
The reading Origen is quoting is peculiar to Luke among the synoptics, is it not? Have I given the impression that I don't think there are readings "peculiar to Luke among the synoptics" in *Ev? No, not at all. There is considerable Lukan Sondergut or L material paralleled in the Evangeli...
- Sat Apr 13, 2024 1:58 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: a neglected Marcionite gospel reference
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Re: a neglected Marcionite gospel reference
Roth is also missing Origen's Fragment 166, where Origen is commenting on Luke 10:27-28. These words are spoken against the disciples of Valentinus and Basilides, and those of Marcion, for they too have these words in their "Gospel." We shall say to them, "When Jesus agreed with the ...
- Fri Apr 12, 2024 3:43 pm
- Forum: Academic Discussion
- Topic: Misdating Jesus to Jannaeus' era may be due to a confusion of Jesus with the Qumran Teacher of Righteousness...
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Re: Misdating Jesus to Jannaeus' era may be due to a confusion of Jesus with the Qumran Teacher of Righteousness...
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- Fri Apr 12, 2024 7:19 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Do all Roads Lead to Eusebius: Antiquities 20.200
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Re: Do all Roads Lead to Eusebius: Antiquities 20.200
I am not able to find where is the expression οὗτοι δὲ ἦσαν οἱ καλούμενοι Μακκαβαῖοι. In Eusebius's H.E. ? Or in Antiquities ? Thank you in advance. I've previously suggested on this forum that Eusebius glossing James as the brother of Jesus who was called Christ so that his readers would be able t...