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by davidmartin
Sat Mar 02, 2024 11:55 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The X-Files: Chrēstos / Christos / Χρειστος
Replies: 449
Views: 13720

Re: The X-Files: Chrēstos / Christos / Χρειστος

there seem slightly more Chrestos references than Christos
by davidmartin
Sat Mar 02, 2024 11:18 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark
Replies: 206
Views: 4647

Re: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark

I don't want to dwell on this for too long since that is a habit I am trying not to repeat. I will concede the more direct reading is spurious and stick with the mainstream one in which I don't really have anything more to say about that. From a base reading it seems to indicate to me that the Odes...
by davidmartin
Fri Mar 01, 2024 7:53 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Can We At Least Agree that the Marcionites Did Not Call Jesus "Christ"?
Replies: 25
Views: 624

Re: Can We At Least Agree that the Marcionites Did Not Call Jesus "Christ"?

If Titus is an example of Marcionism it is pure Hellenism. No scripture quotes nothing Jewish or Samaritan. All I see with Marcion is a rejection of Judaism as superstition. That is the general attitude. That's not Samaritan, it's Hellenism. I think Samaritan influences could be in the mix but not t...
by davidmartin
Fri Mar 01, 2024 7:13 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Can We At Least Agree that the Marcionites Did Not Call Jesus "Christ"?
Replies: 25
Views: 624

Re: Can We At Least Agree that the Marcionites Did Not Call Jesus "Christ"?

The Marcionites were necessarily an offshoot of Samaritanism and their rejection of Judaism must have a similar origin. the marcionites seem like extreme Hellenists and rejected Judaism because they were elitist a bit like how i've seen evangelical american christians reject eastern orthodox christ...
by davidmartin
Fri Mar 01, 2024 6:26 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark
Replies: 206
Views: 4647

Re: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark

you might be right (ode 6) but it can't be translated as swept away that translation is false I checked the Syriac, but you are right it could be understood to mean that and argued that is the intended meaning (which the translator used to inform his translation in this case) it is also possible tha...
by davidmartin
Fri Mar 01, 2024 4:36 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark
Replies: 206
Views: 4647

Re: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark

The egyptians got ritually drunk if i remember as well? some festival or other You're talking about Ode 4. I've studied the temple washing episode. here's some notes i made it's unclear if the temple is washed away the flood seems to stop at the temple, not be restrained by it (or its inhabitants) a...
by davidmartin
Fri Mar 01, 2024 4:17 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: GThomas as reaction to the proto-catholic reception of GMark and GMatthew
Replies: 31
Views: 1699

Re: GThomas as reaction to the proto-catholic reception of GMark and GMatthew

the gospels openly acknowledge Jesus's parables are ambiguous and require interpreting
the need for interpretation was always there Thomas isn't making them ambiguous
by davidmartin
Fri Mar 01, 2024 2:19 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: GThomas as reaction to the proto-catholic reception of GMark and GMatthew
Replies: 31
Views: 1699

Re: GThomas as reaction to the proto-catholic reception of GMark and GMatthew

well ok, I think i get where you're coming from from the perspective of a presumed body of existing Christian texts Thomas can appear like a novel, new form. A sayings gospel But from the perspective of literary texts in general it is not a new form it's just a collection of sayings like Proverbs or...
by davidmartin
Thu Feb 29, 2024 1:12 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: GThomas as reaction to the proto-catholic reception of GMark and GMatthew
Replies: 31
Views: 1699

Re: GThomas as reaction to the proto-catholic reception of GMark and GMatthew

part of the problem with that is a number of canonical sayings and statements are against hierarchical organisation and overseers, and the trappings of religion. this phenomenon seems to occur also working off the epistles which starts going down that path then chooom it's reversed or blocked by all...
by davidmartin
Thu Feb 29, 2024 4:43 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark
Replies: 206
Views: 4647

Re: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark

Reminds me of the wedding at Cana and Jesus refilling the water jugs with wine for the guests. A Bacchic influence perhaps? Judas partakes in the Bacchic sacrament and, drunk on the ecstasy of the Holy spirit, drives him to betray Jesus? Maybe. The Odes have both positive and negative drunkenness T...