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- Mon Feb 07, 2022 2:45 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
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Re: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
GakuseiDon, I have always attempted to read Paul for what he actually says, trying not to import ideas from elsewhere that most likely would obfuscate his words, seeing as he is our earliest writer about Jesus and everything else is bound to be later and assume tradition more developed or shaped. Th...
- Sun Feb 06, 2022 12:50 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
- Replies: 172
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Re: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
I can't see that you've added anything, GakuseiDon. That could just be me, but did you see the addition I made to my previous post? I did thanks spin. It confirms where our disconnect is. I think you are arguing that, if Paul was an actual eye-witness of the Risen Jesus (rather than a 'theological'...
- Sat Feb 05, 2022 10:06 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
- Replies: 172
- Views: 37613
Re: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
I can't see that you've added anything, GakuseiDon. That could just be me, but did you see the addition I made to my previous post?
- Sat Feb 05, 2022 8:46 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
- Replies: 172
- Views: 37613
Re: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
15:13 is where the crunch comes that makes Paul's reasoning clear (and it's the reasoning all the way to verse 18). "If there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ has not been raised" But you think he's just told them that eye witnesses are clear that Jesus was raised. This verse h...
- Sat Feb 05, 2022 7:56 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
- Replies: 172
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Re: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
Paul's logic works much more clearly without there being resurrection stories (and the other superfluous and misleading stuff) preceding it. Verse 12 often starts with "Now" which just isn't appropriate. The word δε usually indicates a contrarity/adversity, eg "but" as in "...
- Sat Feb 05, 2022 12:52 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
- Replies: 172
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Re: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
GakuseiDon: "So how is it problematic?" 13 "But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen " But we are supposed to have just had testimony that Christ had risen. Paul didn't have such testimony, otherwise his reasoning doesn't make sense. I don't understa...
- Fri Feb 04, 2022 4:49 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
- Replies: 172
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Re: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
GakuseiDon: "So how is it problematic?"
13 "But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen"
But we are supposed to have just had testimony that Christ had risen. Paul didn't have such testimony, otherwise his reasoning doesn't make sense.
13 "But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen"
But we are supposed to have just had testimony that Christ had risen. Paul didn't have such testimony, otherwise his reasoning doesn't make sense.
- Fri Feb 04, 2022 4:21 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
- Replies: 172
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Re: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
Your reference to being born of a woman "could be applied to literally anyone who was born Jewish" and is of no relevance. It's only relevant insofar as it shows Paul claims Jesus was born on earth. Saying he was "born to a woman" indicates that Jesus was not essentially a divin...
- Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:25 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
- Replies: 172
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Re: Why Paul never quotes Jesus
That's the beauty of messianic expectation. The messiah was naturally Jewish, ie born of a Jewish woman and a descendent of Abraham, of the line of David. That's what was expected. This particular Messianic expectation could be applied to literally anyone who was born Jewish. And I'm not familiar w...
- Thu Feb 03, 2022 9:54 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Is 1 Cor 11:23-27 an Interpolation? (split)
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2 Tim & Luke
2 Tim 4:11 (and Col 4:14) may be an effort to establish Lk.