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- Thu Apr 21, 2022 3:09 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Why Wells had read P.-L. Couchoud better than Doherty and Carrier
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Re: Why Wells had read P.-L. Couchoud better than Doherty and Carrier
Neil, I would be curious about if Norelli identifies the "son" of "the prince of that world", by the hand of which (=of the son) Jesus is put to death, with the same unnamed "king" by the hand of which (=the "king") the "sons of Israel" crucify Jesus...
- Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:58 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Why Wells had read P.-L. Couchoud better than Doherty and Carrier
- Replies: 84
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Re: Why Wells had read P.-L. Couchoud better than Doherty and Carrier
It does appear that there really is a strong case to be made for that "little gospel" (11:2-22) in which the crucifixion is described as being part of the original text. I have only the Norelli's translation in Italian: e il dio di quel mondo si farà avanti per mano di suo figlio, e mette...
- Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:18 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Why Wells had read P.-L. Couchoud better than Doherty and Carrier
- Replies: 84
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Re: Why Wells had read P.-L. Couchoud better than Doherty and Carrier
If the story has Jesus as a man killed by demons, then the story is probably set on earth. Come on, GDon. It is an anomaly , having Jesus killed only by demons in Ascension of Isaiah , despite of (or at contrary precisely in virtue of) the obvious earthly context found in it. The anomaly is easily ...
- Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:53 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Why Wells had read P.-L. Couchoud better than Doherty and Carrier
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Why Wells had read P.-L. Couchoud better than Doherty and Carrier
The intellectual honesty of G.A. Wells is a continue source of wonder for me... When Wells wrote: Perhaps Doherty's strongest point is Paul's assertion (1 Cor.2:8) that Jesus was crucified by supernatural forces (the archontes ). I take this to mean that they prompted the action of human agents: but...
- Mon Apr 18, 2022 11:51 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Did Revelation 11 preserve the earliest dating about the crucifixion?
- Replies: 2
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Re: Did Revelation 11 preserve the earliest dating about the crucifixion?
Stromholm was obviously precursor especially of Alvar Ellegard (the view that Jesus lived in an undefinite past). Even so, Stromholm is remotely a precursor of Greg Doudna insofar both think that Pilate was introduced because the apostles lived under Pilate. Now, more precisely, Doudna thinks that o...
- Mon Apr 18, 2022 11:37 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Did Revelation 11 preserve the earliest dating about the crucifixion?
- Replies: 2
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Did Revelation 11 preserve the earliest dating about the crucifixion?
Stromholm (1926/1928, Hibbert Journal available on archive.org) argues that, being the Book of Revelation written before the earliest gospel, the two witnesses episode is a trace of a very old and lost source, where the crucified was not one, but two. And two were equally the risen ones. Similar tra...
- Sat Apr 16, 2022 8:25 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Denying a Jesus in the Flesh is not necessarily the same as mythicism
- Replies: 34
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Re: Denying a Jesus in the Flesh is not necessarily the same as mythicism
To break it down: in "we have heard his voice, but we haven't seen his shape", both "voice" and "shape" refer to the Logos . exact. The shape of the Logos, i.e. his apparition under an earthly form, was not seen. Which means that the birth from Mary was not seen. Why? ...
- Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:23 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Parable of the Talents is anti-ebionite
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Re: The Parable of the Talents is anti-ebionite
What is the corollary? That the master in the parable, in addition to not be possibly YHWH but another god, does n't allegorize, by the punition addressed by him against the ebionites, the facts of 70 CE. The ebionite is punished because he is ebionite , not because he is a Jew. Hardly, therefore, t...
- Sat Apr 16, 2022 11:12 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Parable of the Talents is anti-ebionite
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The Parable of the Talents is anti-ebionite
...and from him that hath not [=the Ebionites, i.e. the poors], even that he hath shall be taken away from him.
Not coincidentially, it is found in *Ev.
- Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:21 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Denying a Jesus in the Flesh is not necessarily the same as mythicism
- Replies: 34
- Views: 4113
Re: Denying a Jesus in the Flesh is not necessarily the same as mythicism
The voice comes from the Logos, but the shape comes from the earthly part perfect. You are doing the my case. Please now replace the "earthly part" in the place of "shape", in the following claim of the Naassenes: We have heard his voice, but we have not seen his shape . Pseudo-...