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by MrMacSon
Sat Mar 05, 2016 3:53 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "
Replies: 52
Views: 24792

Re: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "

... This is something that gets abundantly clear from the rest of 1Cor. What seems clear from the rest of 1 Cor 1 is that Paul is trying to sell a better theological product - 26 For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards [according to the flesh], ...
by MrMacSon
Sat Mar 05, 2016 3:50 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "
Replies: 52
Views: 24792

Re: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "

Ulan wrote: It doesn't say "Christ" is an apostle. The sense is basically that people should not split into factions, as they obviously all follow Christ.
I don't think it's obvious that 'they all follow Christ'.
by MrMacSon
Sat Mar 05, 2016 3:45 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "
Replies: 52
Views: 24792

Re: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "

And the verses preceding 1 Cor 1:12 show indications of 'divisions' among them: Paul is appealing for them to toe the line - 10 I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind an...
by MrMacSon
Sat Mar 05, 2016 3:43 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "
Replies: 52
Views: 24792

Re: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "

earlydude wrote:What's the significance of the baptising here, MrMacSon?
I think it means that Paul was, at some stage, distinct from - outside - the Jesus cult
by MrMacSon
Sat Mar 05, 2016 3:38 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "
Replies: 52
Views: 24792

Re: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "

or there was/were concurrent competing belief/s (which, as you say, is/are likely to be "an earlier tradition of saviour figures that reached them before the Jesus doctrine did"). The text itself does not allow for that interpretation. You may speculate all you want that there were such f...
by MrMacSon
Sat Mar 05, 2016 3:35 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "
Replies: 52
Views: 24792

Re: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "

Not really, because "I follow Christ" is included amongst these other figures followed by members of the Corinthian church. As I said, just read the text, as it's self-evident. Basically what winningdude said, and he quoted Paul's questions that make this completely unambiguous. People sh...
by MrMacSon
Sat Mar 05, 2016 3:29 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "
Replies: 52
Views: 24792

Re: "I Follow Cephas. I follow Apollos. I follow Christ. "

... look how Paul phrases it "What I mean is this: One of you (In the Church at Corinth) says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas”; still another, “I follow Christ.”... Clearly there are worshipers in the Corinthian church who've either got the gospel messa...
by MrMacSon
Sat Mar 05, 2016 3:07 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Ignatz: Krazy Kat or Krazy editors?
Replies: 108
Views: 83156

Re: Ignatz: Krazy Kat or Krazy editors?

The Ultimate source of the motif of a bird ascending at the funeral pyre is [Cassius Dio's account of] the Funeral of Augustus 42 2 When the body had been placed on the pyre in the Campus Martius, all the priests marched round it first; and then the knights, not only those belonging to the equestri...
by MrMacSon
Fri Mar 04, 2016 10:58 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Johns of early Christianity
Replies: 28
Views: 18537

Re: Johns of early Christianity

The earlier "Signs Source" mentions no "John" but rather the apostles Andrew and Phillip. Do you have a reference or citation for that signs source'? Cross-referencing to John 1 the other disciple of John the Baptist in addition to Andrew becomes Phillip. I'm not sure what you m...
by MrMacSon
Fri Mar 04, 2016 10:49 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: John Dominic Crossan's datings of texts
Replies: 3
Views: 2434

Re: John Dominic Crossan's datings of texts

Lots of speculation, little reasoning from what I see. Speculation by Crossan? That quotation is someones summary about Crossan's propositions or deductions. Do you know more about what Crossan says in his books? or has said elsewhere? It's interesting though and I agree there was definitely a pass...