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by Paul the Uncertain
Mon Jan 09, 2023 9:35 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Messianic Secret
Replies: 95
Views: 5210

Re: The Messianic Secret

Finally, Jesus allows the Gerasene to report everything in his house, but he proclaims it throughout the Decapolis Why but ? Jesus commissions him to "go home ( eis ton oikon sou , singular), to your people ( pros tous sous , plural), and report to them ( autois , plural) how much," etc. ...
by Paul the Uncertain
Mon Jan 09, 2023 4:41 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Messianic Secret
Replies: 95
Views: 5210

Re: The Messianic Secret

@mlinssen So he speaks in parables both to the outside audience as the disciples, but he explains them to his disciples? Sorry, I'm not seeing a contradiction there. The students are recruited, among other reasons, to learn how to be his surrogates and eventually his successors. As such, they are re...
by Paul the Uncertain
Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:30 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Messianic Secret
Replies: 95
Views: 5210

Re: The Messianic Secret

@mlinssen A few points in passing as we wait for Kunigunde to expound more of her perspective on the problem. We'll have to forgive Mark for 4:34 although there is a chance that there is such cunning contriving behind it that I am completely missing his point. I'm unsure what offense you believe th...
by Paul the Uncertain
Sun Jan 08, 2023 4:31 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Messianic Secret
Replies: 95
Views: 5210

Re: The Messianic Secret

Mark 4:11-12 Let me just make a few remarks. Verses 11 and 12a are a sketch of a policy: He said to them, To you is given the mystery of God’s Kingdom, but to those who are outside, all things are done in parables, that seeing they may see and not perceive, and hearing they may hear and not underst...
by Paul the Uncertain
Sun Jan 08, 2023 1:48 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Messianic Secret
Replies: 95
Views: 5210

Re: The Messianic Secret

The Messianic Secret is a very complex problem. .... Wrede noted that although the theme for secrecy is strong, there are also counterexamples and at the end there is no clear overall picture, but rather a contradictory one. Or, as would be instantly recognized in a secular field, the theory doesn'...
by Paul the Uncertain
Sat Jan 07, 2023 8:59 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Messianic Secret
Replies: 95
Views: 5210

Re: The Messianic Secret

Greetings, Kunigunde The term Messianic Secret does not denote a "theory about" but a recurring motif especially in the Gospel of Mark. It is found in many of Jesus' commandments, actions and teachings that take aim at secrecy. In my experience, the phrase refers both to the motif and also...
by Paul the Uncertain
Sat Dec 31, 2022 2:05 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Basic reason why Mark is NOT marcionite
Replies: 52
Views: 3000

Re: Basic reason why Mark is NOT marcionite

OK. So the messianic secret hypothesis isn't what distinguishes Mark's Jesus from Marcion's, as indeed it couldn't be because both Mark and Marcion were long dead before Wrede projected his brainchild onto GMark. In the absence of evidence that Mark knew Marcion, I have no other dog in this fight. H...
by Paul the Uncertain
Sat Dec 31, 2022 10:48 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Basic reason why Mark is NOT marcionite
Replies: 52
Views: 3000

Re: Basic reason why Mark is NOT marcionite

The messianic secret is nothing other than the attempt made by Mark to account for the absence of messianic claims by Jesus himself. There is no such absence. The high priest asks Jesus at trial (14:61): Q: Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? Jesus answers (14:62): A: I am. The messianic se...
by Paul the Uncertain
Sat Dec 31, 2022 9:32 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Basic reason why Mark is NOT marcionite
Replies: 52
Views: 3000

Re: Basic reason why Mark is NOT marcionite

Or alternatively, Mark isn't anti-Marcionite because maybe he wrote before Marcion was born. I don't see anything on the page that Mark favors any particular would-be orthodoxy. The baptism fits with any number of christologies, from delusional through the Prince of Heaven. Herod's theory of a John ...
by Paul the Uncertain
Wed Dec 28, 2022 2:50 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: PZ Myers's anti-mythicist censorship
Replies: 6
Views: 579

Re: PZ Myers's anti-mythicist censorship

@Giuseppe I didn't follow where "censorship" fits into the topic. The comments section below the transcript seemed as lively as most webside discussions of the HJ-MJ controversies. I agree that PZM's stated reasons for his conclusion break no new ground and include more-irrelevant-than-usu...