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What is so difficult to reconcile with the list is the fact that Paul is included as both a bishop and apostle ("For the bishops at Rome were, first, Peter and Paul the apostles themselves and also bishops"). If this is true, AND Peter and Paul die at the same time, it is difficult to see...

to MrMacSon, 13 out of 4 places means they can't be independent. Why not? The texts were primarily selected for their theological themes. This selection process would have involved selecting features, aspects, and themes that those people doing the selection would have wanted to confirm. Those 4 pl...

13 out of 4 places means they can't be independent.

Being from those sources doesn't mean verified. Jesus genealogy varies between Luke & the other gospel (Mark?)

Bernard Muller wrote:

• they are independent from each other, because if you eliminate one, that does not change the others.

Kind of, Bernard.
The information in many of those premises are aligned to each other (they come from the same place). Yet most are unverified beyond biblical assertions.

Let's say there are 8 statements (as I indicated already) showing that Paul implied the past existence of an earthly human Jesus. Let's say that if these statements are independent, they have each a probability of 80% to be right (that's a simplification from my ratings). Bernard, they're not indep...

Let's say we give 50% probability that the following shows that Jesus called Christ existed as a man on earth: 1) Descendant of Abraham (Gal 3:16) 2) Descendant of Israelites (Ro 9:4-5) 3) Descendant of Jesse (Ro 15:12) 4) Descendant of David (Ro 1:3) 5) Having brothers by blood, one of them being ...

Secret Alias wrote:
Curious also that Irenaeus has Polycarp 'come to Rome' in the age of Anicetus:

All these people 'coming to Rome' at the same time. Odd.

Yep.

You do realise the gospels give various accounts of various mothers and various fathers to various James? None fully line up to be Jesus' sibling? Are you confusing James, the son of Mary & Joseph with James, the brother of John, whose father is Zebedee? There are also other James in the gospel...

The Bayes theorem is great when used properly, more so if each input can be exactly quantified. But in Carrier's use of this theorem, in most cases, he put his own opinions as inputs. Opinions or premises? And in order to populate the Mythicism side, Carrier very often put some ridiculous, ill-evid...

Peter Kirby wrote:

• I'm poking fun with the idea that Carrier has spoiled Bayes for Muller.

aah. Bernard is baying at Bayes.