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Vinzent— In the absence of firm internal grounds, the evidence most often adduced for dating our [canonical] Gospels has been their early reception in other early Christian writings. Turning to this, does the history of reception favor a pre-Marcion dating, or rather a dating to the time of Marcion,...

Not sure what you mean by “these gospels,” schillingklaus. Vinzent holds that Marcion published the first written gospel; not that the one reconstructed by scholars is identical with that original. Both he and Klinghardt postulate multiple redactions. MacDonald clings to Q, the quintessential “lost ...

FWIW the parallel between 1 Clement 35 and Romans 1 was noted in the 19th century ANF. https://ccel.org/ccel/clement_rome/first_epistle_to_the_corinthians/anf01.ii.ii.xxxv.html Andrew Criddle Lightfoot is somewhat more positive about the connection, noting that the parallel begins at Rom 1:29, and ...

The governing main clause seems to be “God gave them (αὐτοὺς) up …” in v 28, which is followed by a string of accusatives in vv 29-31 that stand in apposition to αὐτοὺς. That’s my analysis anyhow.

The whole first chapter is absurdly baroque. Of the catholic, post-Marcionite redaction, that is.

Rules of thumb are rules of thumb Exactly. There are no universal rules, but everyone has rules of thumb. I hold that it is philosophically preposterous, a poor man’s empiricism, to suppose that anyone can get by without them. Everyone always applies questions and rules to whatever information they...

This is excruciatingly verbatim though, look at the Greek!!! Absolutely. It is without doubt one of the most explicit, verbatim, and elaborate parallels between the NT and the whole corpus of the so-called Apostolic Fathers. It gets an “A” rating in the famous 1905 study of these parallels by the O...

Romans 1:26-32 ...God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the...

This is interesting-- Marcion committed an act of arrogance by rejecting the Law spoken by the Holy Spirit. He did not stop there either. He rejected the Canon and formed his own Gospel. It was not becoming for him to do this. For Paul said, "It is not possible to tell the things which I have h...

1 Clement 47.2 could be referring to 1 Corinthians as a 'gospel,' I don't think so. In 47.1 he has just introduced the "letter" to the Corinthians. No suggestion that this letter is a written gospel. Rather, the author seems to think that this epistle was, or represented, the beginning or...

Ok whatever. I have asked repeatedly for specific evidence in the text. So far the responses have been unimpressive. You say that there are citations of Mark’s Gospel in 1 Clement. I would find that amazing, since generations of scholars have looked for Gospel material and not found any. Not that a ...