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by Bernard Muller
Sun Nov 09, 2014 12:35 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Only Fantastically Amazing People Think We Have The Ur-Canon
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Re: Only Fantastically Amazing People Think We Have The Ur-C

50 Marcion's gospel had lots of passages from Matthew Adamantius However, I am going to show from the Gospel that Christ is speaking of men possessing free will, and not of principles! He says this, "They come to you in the sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. By their frui...
by Bernard Muller
Sun Nov 09, 2014 12:03 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Only Fantastically Amazing People Think We Have The Ur-Canon
Replies: 452
Views: 157878

Re: Only Fantastically Amazing People Think We Have The Ur-C

In Against Marcion Book Three and On the Flesh of Christ we see Tertullian using a source who originally employed a Diatessaron. In those texts Luke 11:27 (= Blessed be the womb that bore Thee) and Mark 3:32 (= "Your mother and brothers are outside looking for you") appeared back to back....
by Bernard Muller
Sun Nov 09, 2014 11:05 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Only Fantastically Amazing People Think We Have The Ur-Canon
Replies: 452
Views: 157878

Re: Only Fantastically Amazing People Think We Have The Ur-C

23. Tertullian accuses Marcion of altering things which only appear in Matthew "Marcion," he says, " must needs alter, as if a sword could do anything but divide." But Marcion was right, and Tertullian, quoting from memory, had in mind the parallel passage in Matt. 10:34 [Marvin...
by Bernard Muller
Sun Nov 09, 2014 10:23 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Only Fantastically Amazing People Think We Have The Ur-Canon
Replies: 452
Views: 157878

Re: Only Fantastically Amazing People Think We Have The Ur-C

to Huller, 31. Marcion removed things from Matthew Marcion removed the following from the Gospel: I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matthew 15:24). [Richard Simon Critical History of the Bible p. 434] Again, Tertullian could have assume these two sayings were in gLuke. An...
by Bernard Muller
Sun Nov 09, 2014 1:12 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Only Fantastically Amazing People Think We Have The Ur-Canon
Replies: 452
Views: 157878

Re: Only Fantastically Amazing People Think We Have The Ur-C

Adv.Marc.iv.42; Panarion 42 23: 1 And the whole company arose, and brought him before Pilate. 2 And they began to accuse him, saying, We found this fellow perverting the nation, and destroying the law and the prophets, and forbidding to give tribute to Caesar, and turning away the women and childre...
by Bernard Muller
Sun Nov 09, 2014 12:47 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Only Fantastically Amazing People Think We Have The Ur-Canon
Replies: 452
Views: 157878

Re: Only Fantastically Amazing People Think We Have The Ur-C

to Huller, So let me get this straight. You know for certain that no part of this debate ever occurred. Really? It is not a matter of later embellishment. The whole debate was fictitious! And so, the material can't be trusted. You are fucking nuts. I am enjoying seeing your desperate logic twist you...
by Bernard Muller
Sun Nov 09, 2014 12:12 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Only Fantastically Amazing People Think We Have The Ur-Canon
Replies: 452
Views: 157878

Re: Only Fantastically Amazing People Think We Have The Ur-C

Megethius "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you" (Matt 5:43) The dialogues of Adamantius are fictitious and written by an orthodox Christian. He could put anything in the mouth of a fictitious Marcionite without giving a damned if it was in gMarcion or not. Actually, the...
by Bernard Muller
Sat Nov 08, 2014 11:39 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Only Fantastically Amazing People Think We Have The Ur-Canon
Replies: 452
Views: 157878

Re: Only Fantastically Amazing People Think We Have The Ur-C

to Huller, For example, there are three instances where Tertullian accuses Marcion of having excised from his Gospel Jesus' statement (known from Matthew, not Luke) that he came not to abolish the Law but to fulfil it.9 9 Williams 1991. He argues that Tertullian's text of Luke may have contained som...
by Bernard Muller
Sat Nov 08, 2014 11:05 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Only Fantastically Amazing People Think We Have The Ur-Canon
Replies: 452
Views: 157878

Re: Only Fantastically Amazing People Think We Have The Ur-C

to Huller, why not Google Pretty's translation of De Recta in Deum Fide right now? I read it from your own blog http://stephanhuller.blogspot.ca/2013/05/the-original-de-recta-in-deum-fide.html Interesting and the dialogue looks very modern and justified. It shows the ancients could think and write a...
by Bernard Muller
Sat Nov 08, 2014 10:31 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Only Fantastically Amazing People Think We Have The Ur-Canon
Replies: 452
Views: 157878

Re: Only Fantastically Amazing People Think We Have The Ur-C

Tertullian produces these citations: “kingdom of heaven,” “an eye for an eye,” “Who is my mother?,” and the teaching to be “like” infants. All of these are found in Matthew and not Luke. Tertullian had guessed that Marcion had used Luke, and ingeniously built up an elaborate theory to describe Marc...