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by MrMacSon
Thu Dec 10, 2015 3:45 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus angel
Replies: 1208
Views: 522270

Re: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus ang

Mark used ἀνατέλλω (anatelló) just twice, in the Parable of the sower and at the empty tomb. Mark 4:6 Mark 16:2 And after rose (ἀνέτειλεν - aneteilen) the sun, it was scorched and because of the having no root, it withered away. And very early on the first of the week, they come to the tomb, having...
by MrMacSon
Thu Dec 10, 2015 3:16 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: An Introduction to David Trobisch
Replies: 58
Views: 103407

Re: An Introduction to David Trobisch

Yup. But few scholars of his ilk will admit the obvious (and thus date Luke to the second century). True, and, as Trobisch alludes to, there has been a lot of recent scholarship around Marcionism (and the relationship of those texts to the synoptic gospels) - http://www.earlywritings.com/forum/view...
by MrMacSon
Thu Dec 10, 2015 1:23 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: An Introduction to David Trobisch
Replies: 58
Views: 103407

Re: An Introduction to David Trobisch

Trobisch's reference to "copying it out of a textbook" is interesting - references to Pilate, Herodias, etc., are found in Josephus's Antiquities of the Jews 18, as are references to John the Baptist, Herod's marriage to his brother's wife, etc..
by MrMacSon
Thu Dec 10, 2015 1:00 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus angel
Replies: 1208
Views: 522270

Re: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus ang

2 Samuel 23 - 1 Now these are the last words of David: The oracle of David, the son of Jesse, the oracle of the man who was raised on high, the anointed of the God of Jacob, the sweet psalmist of Israel: 2 “The Spirit of the Lord speaks by me; his word is on my tongue. 3 The God of Israel has spoken...
by MrMacSon
Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:45 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus angel
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Views: 522270

Re: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus ang

Malachi1 2 - 1"Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and the day that is coming will set them on fire," says the LORD Almighty. " Not a root or a branch will be left to " them " . 2 But for you who revere ...
by MrMacSon
Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:40 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus angel
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Views: 522270

Re: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus ang

Matthew 2 - Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, 2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east , and are come to worship him. 3 When Herod the king had heard ...
by MrMacSon
Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:17 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus angel
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Re: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus ang

The end of Luke 1 contains the Song of Zechariah (aka as the 'Canticle of Zachary' or the Benedictus ) - 57 When it was time for Elizabeth to have her baby, she gave birth to a son. 58 Her neighbors and relatives heard that the Lord had shown her great mercy, and they shared her joy. 59 On the eight...
by MrMacSon
Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:08 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus angel
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Views: 522270

Re: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus ang

Orthodox Christian tradition recounts that, at the time of the massacre of the Innocents (when King Herod ordered the slaughter of all males under the age of two in an attempt to prevent the prophesied Messiah from coming to Israel), Zechariah refused to divulge the whereabouts of his son (who was i...
by MrMacSon
Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:45 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus angel
Replies: 1208
Views: 522270

Re: Carrier proposes the NT Jesus based on Philo's Jesus ang

Another interesting coincidence and link around the name Zechariah is Luke 1 where 'an angel of the Lord', Gabriel, appears and, while Zechariah ministered at the altar of incense, announces to Zechariah that his wife would give birth to a son, whom he was to name John, and that this son would be &q...
by MrMacSon
Thu Dec 10, 2015 1:54 am
Forum: Other Texts and History
Topic: Retcons - continuity by reinterpretation
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Views: 27289

Re: Retcons - continuity by reinterpretation

... I wonder how much history in ancient books are merely the retconning of earlier stories. What percentage of stories of events and people actually occurred? Not much. Most ancient history is probably as accurate as most holy books. Exactly. I read somewhere there is good evidence that the Jonah ...