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by Secret Alias
Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:21 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Bauckham On the Three Gospels of Papias
Replies: 8
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Re: Bauckham On the Three Gospels of Papias

And what's more EVERYONE in this field of study can be accused of the same 'dishonesty.' There are mythicists whose 'interest' in the gospel inevitably come down to disproving the gospel. The same can be said for Christians studying Judaism to prove that Jesus really was the subject of Jewish prophe...
by Secret Alias
Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:34 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Reconstructing the Proto-(Papias Based)Text for Adversus Haereses 3
Replies: 17
Views: 7587

Re: Reconstructing the Proto-(Papias Based)Text for Adversus Haereses 3

And getting back to my original query, in order for Peter to 'correct' a pre-existent understanding you'd expect at least some commonality with the original expectation. For instance there is no evidence that the Jews believed that David was alive in heaven as God sitting at God's right hand after h...
by Secret Alias
Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:17 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Reconstructing the Proto-(Papias Based)Text for Adversus Haereses 3
Replies: 17
Views: 7587

Re: Reconstructing the Proto-(Papias Based)Text for Adversus Haereses 3

In psalm 16:10 king David is longing for immortality. Ok 'your Holy One' is a self-reference. But is the author asking to walk around on the earth forever or for his soul to continue living in the hereafter? Nevertheless he died; his tomb is proof of it. Does the fact that he physically died negate...
by Secret Alias
Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:33 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Reconstructing the Proto-(Papias Based)Text for Adversus Haereses 3
Replies: 17
Views: 7587

Re: Reconstructing the Proto-(Papias Based)Text for Adversus Haereses 3

It's worth noting that there are TWO sources for the Gospel of Mark being associated with a doctrine of two powers: 1. Irenaeus's statement in Adv Haer 3.11.7 2. the Philosophumena's statement about the Marcionites using the Gospel of Mark as part of the dualistic doctrine identified as originating ...
by Secret Alias
Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:31 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Irenaeus, Origen, and Luke 3.7-9.
Replies: 19
Views: 6075

Re: Irenaeus, Origen, and Luke 3.7-9.

by simply restoring James the Just to his proper place in the early church
Why is James historical but Peter not? If anything 'Jacob' is a more symbolic name than 'Simon.'
by Secret Alias
Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:49 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Nicolaitans.
Replies: 9
Views: 7273

Re: The Nicolaitans.

Oddly enough others have noticed the same thing: Etymology[edit] Those who view the account in Revelation 2 as not literal treat the word "Nicolaitan" not as based upon an individual's name, but as a compound descriptive word. Nico- means "victory" in Greek, and laos means "...
by Secret Alias
Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:54 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Nicolaitans.
Replies: 9
Views: 7273

Re: The Nicolaitans.

It is worth noting that the last parts of both names are the same עַם = people, λαός = people. I don't know how you reconcile the bel part with 'victor'
by Secret Alias
Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:01 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Reconstructing the Proto-(Papias Based)Text for Adversus Haereses 3
Replies: 17
Views: 7587

Re: Reconstructing the Proto-(Papias Based)Text for Adversus Haereses 3

So once we get to chapter 13 and the business about those who exaggerated things about Paul - this should be regarded as original. However I think the business about Luke being a witness for Paul was added later. Thus the statement of Paul harmonizes with, and is, as it were, identical with, the tes...
by Secret Alias
Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:00 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Reconstructing the Proto-(Papias Based)Text for Adversus Haereses 3
Replies: 17
Views: 7587

Re: Reconstructing the Proto-(Papias Based)Text for Adversus Haereses 3

Jewish tradition understands the Psalm to apply to David (as he is talking in the first person throughout) that his body would not undergo corruption https://books.google.com/books?id=8fX9xxXfNNQC&pg=PA280&dq=david+%22psalm+16%22+qumran&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjQgsP_4fPUAhVI7GMKHSA...