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by John2
Mon Dec 19, 2016 10:49 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: When/what is the End of Days?
Replies: 139
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Re: When/what is the End of Days?

outhouse wrote (re: gentiles in the DSS sect): That will never be substantiated. For the most part the DSS are hostile towards gentiles. But in the Damascus Document (which mentions the new covenant ) the situation is different. As Himmelfarb notes: We have already seen that Jubilees rejects the pos...
by John2
Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:35 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: When/what is the End of Days?
Replies: 139
Views: 54603

Re: When/what is the End of Days?

The sect also included gentile converts (nilvim, or "joiners") and even altered the OT to support this by adding vavs to Ezk. 44:15 (one of which is not rendered in Vermes' translation, which I must resort to at the moment, so I will add it in brackets; and Vermes' "the Levites are&qu...
by John2
Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:14 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: When/what is the End of Days?
Replies: 139
Views: 54603

Re: When/what is the End of Days?

Charlesworth, for example, notes: From a sociological perspective, the Damascus Document reflects the existence of people having a different way of life from the rest of the Jewish population, but not completely isolated from the common social and religious institutions of Israel. Echoing the langua...
by John2
Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:53 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: When/what is the End of Days?
Replies: 139
Views: 54603

Re: When/what is the End of Days?

By the way, what gives you the impression that the DSS sect was "just a small community"?
by John2
Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:34 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: When/what is the End of Days?
Replies: 139
Views: 54603

Re: When/what is the End of Days?

But part of the argument, as I said earlier, is that the DSS sect was a conglomeration of people from all the sects, like the Fourth Philosophy (even if the sect had origins and issues with the Pharisees). They actively sought converts.
by John2
Sat Dec 17, 2016 5:19 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: When/what is the End of Days?
Replies: 139
Views: 54603

Re: When/what is the End of Days?

There are various opinions about MMT and the Sadducees. This book, for example, notes that: ...out of 17 halakic rulings so far identified in MMT, only two can be considered as having any significant possibility [of being Sadducaic], and one of these only supports the biblical text ... even proponen...
by John2
Sat Dec 17, 2016 4:39 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: When/what is the End of Days?
Replies: 139
Views: 54603

Re: When/what is the End of Days?

So to me the DSS sect seem similar to the Pharisees, but a harder core version of it, similar to the Fourth Philosophy. One of the founders of the latter was a Pharisee named Zadok, and as Jossa (for example) notes regarding the other founder, Judas the Galilean: Judas is not a doctor with nothing i...
by John2
Sat Dec 17, 2016 1:01 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: When/what is the End of Days?
Replies: 139
Views: 54603

Re: When/what is the End of Days?

outhouse wrote: Some have claimed these are Sadducees... The Sadducees did not believe in the resurrection of the dead and the DSS writings do. Sadducees also did not believe in angels (at least according to Acts 23:8), and the DSS writings do. The Sadducees were also said to be from wealthy classes...
by John2
Fri Dec 16, 2016 6:13 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Fourth Philosphy, the DSS sect and Christianity
Replies: 3
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The Fourth Philosphy, the DSS sect and Christianity

I'm at the library today so I was able to save these notes elsewhere and I'll try to hang something on them as I get time. The premise in a nutshell is that Josephus says that there was nothing like the Fourth Philosophy in Judaism until the first century CE, so if the DSS are like the Fourth Philos...
by John2
Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:44 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: When/what is the End of Days?
Replies: 139
Views: 54603

Re: When/what is the End of Days?

The ancients apparently did.
Yes, I understand that.