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- Tue Apr 18, 2023 12:11 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Marcion and Thomas in all of Luke
- Replies: 48
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Re: Marcion and Thomas in all of Luke
what i find interesting is the gospel of John in it, apparently Jesus is shown to claim divinity yet analysing statements made by Jesus one kind find a clear teaching that refutes that and has him saying that his followers can be just like him. these are opposite teachings found in the very same tex...
- Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:54 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Marcion and Thomas in all of Luke
- Replies: 48
- Views: 10310
Re: Marcion and Thomas in all of Luke
ah ok i think i see where you are coming from better now You have to understand that Paul's task is one alone: demonstrate that Judaism accepts Chrestianity as fulfilling their prophecies. This is the crux of it all I think Paul's main audience were Chrestians, he is trying to convert them. It is Pa...
- Sat Apr 15, 2023 11:26 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Marcion and Thomas in all of Luke
- Replies: 48
- Views: 10310
Re: Marcion and Thomas in all of Luke
Great. Now you've given me the realisation I need to actually read all of Philo. Balls. I really, really hope he's not long winded and tedious. He surely cannot be worse than Josephus, what a complete, total waste of time his books are Sure, i've seen that Jeremiah quote not making sense, none of th...
- Fri Apr 14, 2023 2:09 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Marcion and Thomas in all of Luke
- Replies: 48
- Views: 10310
Re: Marcion and Thomas in all of Luke
No problem, I can switch away from peasants and turn to Philo and his 'Word' instead which just revealed a new connection i didn't find before "So that the Word (Logos) is, as it were, the charioteer of the powers" Ode 38 "I ascended to the light of Truth as if by chariot and Truth, H...
- Fri Apr 14, 2023 3:48 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Marcion and Thomas in all of Luke
- Replies: 48
- Views: 10310
Re: Marcion and Thomas in all of Luke
I got to admit your analysis creates a problem for me. There is nothing 'Judaic' about these sayings So squaring Thomas with any kind of Jewish setting, ie the Odes is problematic since I'm sticking with the originality of both these texts There is a pathway in, along the lines of a heterodox unders...
- Thu Apr 13, 2023 2:45 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: After 20 Years Plus of Flogging His Theory How Many Here at the Forum Believe Mountainman?
- Replies: 259
- Views: 112111
Re: After 20 Years Plus of Flogging His Theory How Many Here at the Forum Believe Mountainman?
thankyou for that comment i don't really know if it comes down to Jewish practices, but what was their worldview, their mindset i'm interested in? i think the Odes show a Jewish mindset which is very different from a Greek or Roman one and theology flows down from the mindset. a difference in emphas...
- Thu Apr 13, 2023 10:58 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: After 20 Years Plus of Flogging His Theory How Many Here at the Forum Believe Mountainman?
- Replies: 259
- Views: 112111
Re: After 20 Years Plus of Flogging His Theory How Many Here at the Forum Believe Mountainman?
I just think the Jewish phase of the movement only existed briefly, all the writings we have were all from the guys who were outside/opposed/at odds to Judaism. Except Thomas admitedly, but it's milder than the outright anti-Judaic things of later (and the Odes is really what i'm basing everything o...
- Thu Apr 13, 2023 8:03 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: After 20 Years Plus of Flogging His Theory How Many Here at the Forum Believe Mountainman?
- Replies: 259
- Views: 112111
Re: After 20 Years Plus of Flogging His Theory How Many Here at the Forum Believe Mountainman?
Yeah ok, I will go along with that. The fog is clearing, or is it incense? Burning embers of pure chalice resin. That's what's missing, the reek of incense i see a distinction between Judaisation and a Jewish way of thinking/mindset The stuff you mention is quite likely the former bolted on but the ...
- Thu Apr 13, 2023 6:14 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: After 20 Years Plus of Flogging His Theory How Many Here at the Forum Believe Mountainman?
- Replies: 259
- Views: 112111
Re: After 20 Years Plus of Flogging His Theory How Many Here at the Forum Believe Mountainman?
There is no garbage heap I will not scavenge. Yep THE EPISTLE TO DIOGNETUS, this is a prize find here although i wish i had read it sober the first time, the effects were jarring once i got into it So the pattern is clear enough. This is the 'offshoot gospel' of the 'offshoot revelation' (missing th...
- Thu Apr 13, 2023 2:07 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: After 20 Years Plus of Flogging His Theory How Many Here at the Forum Believe Mountainman?
- Replies: 259
- Views: 112111
Re: After 20 Years Plus of Flogging His Theory How Many Here at the Forum Believe Mountainman?
here's a gem for you ml, early 2nd century. Does not name Jesus once (like the Shepherd of Hermas and the Odes) Mine are no strange discourses nor perverse questionings, but having been a disciple of Apostles I come forward as a teacher of the Gentiles, ministering worthily to them, as they present ...