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by davidmartin
Tue Jan 16, 2024 6:12 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Volkmar now available in English!
Replies: 57
Views: 12854

Re: Volkmar now available in English!

One can not ignore the fact that Paul, in his epistles, is very sensitive to the fact that he was not among Jesus' original disciples. And therefore Paul is very defensive about that, claiming he gets his authority directly from the Lord instead of from the Jerusalem church. If Paul's epistles were...
by davidmartin
Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:53 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: So, did Marcion just make everything?
Replies: 43
Views: 3983

Re: So, did Marcion just make everything?

i'm not going so far as that Ebion, simply that there were earlier gospel sources pre-dating the epistles that is already radical enough and just a starting point for a bunch of possibilities once the epistles are correctly dated as 'early but late' and the idea of an atonement for sin was absolutel...
by davidmartin
Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:38 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Volkmar now available in English!
Replies: 57
Views: 12854

Re: Volkmar now available in English!

The reason Paul knows little about "Jesus after the flesh" is because Paul only wants to know (gnosis) Jesus crucified and speaking to him in personal revelation heh, that's exactly why I argue it make sense the gospels pre-date the epistles. The epistles announce clearly they intend to '...
by davidmartin
Tue Jan 16, 2024 1:07 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: So, did Marcion just make everything?
Replies: 43
Views: 3983

Re: So, did Marcion just make everything?

(b) Paul wrote pre-65, between seven and nine known letters. Do you have any evidence for that , or is it just your opinion ? There isn't any! Paul looks later than this because you have to argue for a 'disappearing' Paul otherwise if he wrote in the 60's, why don't other early texts know him? the ...
by davidmartin
Mon Jan 15, 2024 12:58 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Volkmar now available in English!
Replies: 57
Views: 12854

Re: Volkmar now available in English!

ah we do differ greatly on the dating then i now kind of date the epistles to around 90 and from maybe a revolt against the Ebionite type movement at the time. and the reason they can omit a historical Jesus and his teaching is because of the destruction of most of the original movement along with a...
by davidmartin
Mon Jan 15, 2024 2:18 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Volkmar now available in English!
Replies: 57
Views: 12854

Re: Volkmar now available in English!

interesting you tie the 'mothers and brothers' with 'those outside'. heck i never saw that before, makes it even more pronounced what i take from this is there's a rejection of accounts about Jesus floating around in the names of other authorities/apostles, the same as the epistles allude to but if ...
by davidmartin
Mon Jan 15, 2024 1:24 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: So, did Marcion just make everything?
Replies: 43
Views: 3983

Re: So, did Marcion just make everything?

I've been trying to research both the canonical and noncanonical books of the Bible to make my own hypothetical updated canon, and one person I keep running into is Marcion. The Pauline epistles, apparently, originated with Marcion. The gospels, apparently, were based off the Gospel of Marcion. If ...
by davidmartin
Sun Jan 14, 2024 7:27 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Volkmar now available in English!
Replies: 57
Views: 12854

Re: Volkmar now available in English!

i think the kingdom / messianic age had already started for the pillars and the cross didn't stop it they were not expecting a Parousia like Revelation but the kingdom to spread out with the advent of the messiah, whose kingdom is spiritual/not of this earth as found in Thomas also. the ideas around...
by davidmartin
Sun Jan 14, 2024 1:04 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gospels, Epistles, Old Testament: the order of books according to Jesus Chri st
Replies: 26
Views: 16980

Re: Gospels, Epistles, Old Testament: the order of books according to Jesus Chri st

the book shows there is a statically significant (ie massive) difference between the gospels and epistles few XS (the derived Christ) in the gospels compared to epistles, and the other way round it argues the best explanation is the gospels are earlier and subsequently added to the later epistles th...
by davidmartin
Sat Jan 13, 2024 2:47 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Volkmar now available in English!
Replies: 57
Views: 12854

Re: Volkmar now available in English!

James Tabor has suggested that the transfiguration account in Mark 9 originally was a post resurrection appearance that belonged to the Jerusalem church now that it a fascinating idea, especially if combined with John's account of the woman at the well. Seem to recall comparisons to the transfigura...