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- Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:31 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Problem of Paul and Marcionism
- Replies: 102
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Re: Number Of Parallels from the Textus Receptus To Paul
[*] Number of strong parallels between the "Genuine" Letters of Paul and the Second Century Gnostics...All of it, 100% The Gnostics are 2nd century and their theology doesn't need an earthly Jesus or the gospels, why should the epistles have to be dated prior to gospels because they appar...
- Wed Jan 03, 2024 1:57 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Problem of Paul and Marcionism
- Replies: 102
- Views: 74716
Re: The Problem of Paul and Marcionism
The original doctrine of the serpent as saviour follows from redactorial fatigue in many places, such as the Emmaus story of Luke, the healing of two blind mobs in Matthew, Nag Hammadi texts such as Testimonium Veritatis, Origin of World, and Hypostasis of the Archons. The confusion in the epistles...
- Tue Jan 02, 2024 6:47 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Problem of Paul and Marcionism
- Replies: 102
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Re: The Problem of Paul and Marcionism
No, this does not describe Marcionism anywhere near closely. Marcion saw in the serpent of Genesis some supernatural evil. Which is late development, not pre-Christian gnosis, which saw the serpent as the Saviour. how can this be proved so decisively? My point is the law is just there to convict ev...
- Mon Jan 01, 2024 2:54 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Are there Mythicists who argue for the epistles being entirely fabricated?
- Replies: 12
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Re: Are there Mythicists who argue for the epistles being entirely fabricated?
ah, poetry the sequence is genesis, numbers, exodus, leviticus, and deuteronomy or its not Jewish. in my humble and correct opinion there is a vast gulf between the Hellenistic and Hebrew mindset in antiquity, the former thought they were inherently superior. Paul is like the Greek mindset personifi...
- Mon Jan 01, 2024 2:18 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Problem of Paul and Marcionism
- Replies: 102
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Re: The Problem of Paul and Marcionism
Christianity is anti-Torah disguised as perfection of the same. It sells the eucharist, a ritual with the purpose of freeing mankind from the dictatorship of Law and creation, as predicted and approved in the Old Testament by being instituted by the Messiah, a character whose coming is foretold by ...
- Sun Dec 31, 2023 12:40 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Are there Mythicists who argue for the epistles being entirely fabricated?
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Re: Are there Mythicists who argue for the epistles being entirely fabricated?
does anyone think Marcion's ev ended with the women being confused just like Mark? (Luke 24:12 is missing in the earliest MS, maybe the rest was in Mcn also) if this were so then Mark may have copied ev in the abrupt ending, under Mcn priority as to why... it would make a good (but not great) segue ...
- Sun Dec 31, 2023 2:23 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Problem of Paul and Marcionism
- Replies: 102
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Re: The Problem of Paul and Marcionism
(I think you meant 2nd century). I agree and go further: the Faulines are downright anti-Christian and are explicitly Marcian: Proxy baptism which certainly isn't from Paul's time (<63 AD) Romans 7 which is more than just (bad)Gnostic The Faulines are explicitly anti-monotheistic, which I assume co...
- Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:04 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Problem of Paul and Marcionism
- Replies: 102
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Re: The Problem of Paul and Marcionism
there's no such thing as there not being a historical movement, humans wrote the texts we have and there were adherents of the movement we can trace back to the 2nd century. then the trail disappears into unrecorded history. so there are 2 options 1. some historical group we don't know about made up...
- Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:22 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Problem of Paul and Marcionism
- Replies: 102
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Re: The Problem of Paul and Marcionism
it makes not much difference whether * the *ev gospel got added later by marcion or a follower * marcion collected the existing 'marcionite' epistles and added *ev something approximating this must have occured, we can move on right? a bigger problem is what to make of collosians and ephesians the s...
- Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:05 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Problem of Paul and Marcionism
- Replies: 102
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Re: The Problem of someone who was also closely related to the tetrach
Apologies for the potential tangent, but I have to ask: If Marcion created the letters of Paul AND he created his Luke-like Gospel, why don't we see Gospel details in Marcion's letters of Paul? This does kind of assume Marcion wrote the epistles and the gospel he promoted Whoever wrote the epistles...