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Epiphanius says the Ebionites branched off from the first Christians (Nazarenes), so it would make sense if their Matthew likewise "branched off" from the Matthew that Nazarenes used.

I think it's the other way around and Marcion used the Ebionite Matthew (as did Luke). This would explain why Marcion and the Ebionites shared similar doctrines, why these gospels resembled Luke, and why Marcon's gospel had some Matthew-like stuff.

Mark, Hebrew Matthew (which spawned the NT Matthew and Ebionite Matthew), Luke (which used everything in Greek that preceded it) and John.

Peter Kirby wrote: ↑Wed Mar 13, 2024 4:55 pm I guess the point of the OP is that you find it inconsistent the way ben Zakkai and Josephus are honored in memory (by unnamed persons).

Yeah. There appears to be inconsistency in how they are remembered.

He wasn't a turncoat to his nation , is what I'm saying, anymore than ben Zakkai. And while he abandoned the Fourth Philosophy, he was affiliated with the Pharisees, and they had the predominant form of Judaism (continuing into Rabbinic Judaism). Josephus betrayed the Fourth Philosophy, but not Juda...

Not as bad as I've heard and thought. My estimation of him as only increased recently, as far as his efforts to preserve Judaism go.

I've heard the word used a lot in reference to Josephus (including on the forum), and I suppose the point of the thread is the same as Peskowitz's (linked to in the OP): If you haven't embodied notions of hybridity and the multicultural, if you tend to lean toward singular communities and away from ...

Josephus was also like Daniel, who served a pagan ruler and changed his name "while remaining true to the God of Israel": According to the Hebrew Bible, Daniel was a noble Jewish youth of Jerusalem taken into captivity by Nebuchadnezzar II of Babylon, serving the king and his successors wi...

I don't see how Josephus is any different than Joseph. They both worked for and received favors from pagan rulers and were concerned with saving lives and having a family and lived to an old age and lived in (or were buried in) the Land of Israel. ... his jealous brothers sell him into slavery in Eg...

I prefer what Josephus did over what Jesus and (other) Fourth Philosophers did, which amounted to dying (on crosses, on Masada, etc., and some Fourth Philosophers killed other Jews who sought peaceful co-existence with Rome). I also received from Vespasian no small quantity of land, as a free gift, ...