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by hakeem
Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:32 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: dating the birth stories?
Replies: 235
Views: 111483

Re: dating the birth stories?

....... Irenaeus was going to do it: by constantly lying, forgery and complete fake he produced 22 books of the NT, and set up the catholic church. In 185 his book was ready in which he presented everything very casually. greetings, Cora. PS: Irenaeus even put himself in the sermon on the mount, wh...
by hakeem
Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:56 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The introduction of Luke
Replies: 13
Views: 7339

Re: The introduction of Luke

Firstly, is this an actual dedication to a real person named Theophilus? Under the assumption that it is, it is often proposed that this dedication is evidence that "Luke" was a patron of some wealthy individual who had commissioned him to write these works. To me this seems unlikely. I h...
by hakeem
Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:27 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: dating the birth stories?
Replies: 235
Views: 111483

Re: dating the birth stories?

It is true that the orthodox Christians placed the Gospels back in time, prior to Marcion. But I don't think this was a "policy". Rather, they actually believed it. It is the case that some of the Gospel writer, namely "John", intentionally intended their writing to appear like ...
by hakeem
Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:50 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: dating the birth stories?
Replies: 235
Views: 111483

Re: dating the birth stories?

The fact that Justin Martyr and Marcion were contemporaries who lived in the time of Antonius c 138-161 CE means that Marcion could not be the source of the birth narrative since he [ Marcion] would need another source from the supposed time of his son of God if he appeared in the time of Pilate. Ju...
by hakeem
Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:09 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Two Jameses in Galatians: Harmony with Mark and Luke-Acts
Replies: 18
Views: 13838

Re: Two Jameses in Galatians: Harmony with Mark and Luke-Acts

Not at all. Let's go to a source text: Galatians. After Paul mentioned James, the Lord's brother (1:19), some forteen years later, Paul has a "James" in position of leadership in the church of Jerusalem (2:9). What James? no other "James" is mentioned between 1:19 & 2:9, so ...
by hakeem
Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:50 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: dating the birth stories?
Replies: 235
Views: 111483

Re: dating the birth stories?

Perhaps the simplest solution is that Martyr has read multiple birth narratives and was simply harmonizing them. There was no need for Justin to harmonise anything . Justin did reveal his sources for the birth narrative -- "the Memoir of the Apostles". Justin's Dialogue with Trypho C........
by hakeem
Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:56 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Justin witness of a crucifixion in outer space
Replies: 2
Views: 4233

Re: Justin witness of a crucifixion in outer space

Justin doesn't say who crucified the Logos on the cosmic X in his reading of Plato. He says simply: " He has X -ed the Son of God in the universe" (1 Apology 60:1-5) It is very probable that the other Christians (who, independently from Justin, "read" that same crucifixion in Pl...
by hakeem
Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:27 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: dating the birth stories?
Replies: 235
Views: 111483

Re: dating the birth stories?

Ben i think saw it as a harmony of Matthew and Luke. Right. Otherwise we face the anomaly of either Matthew or Luke (or both) drawing heavily from James yet managing to avoid drawing the same materials from James. The choice is between (A) a natural conflation of Matthew and Luke by James and (B) s...
by hakeem
Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:01 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: dating the birth stories?
Replies: 235
Views: 111483

Re: dating the birth stories?

The Proto Evangelium of James appears to be a late harmonisation of gLuke, gMatthew and the Memoirs of the Apostles since it contains far more embellishments than all other birth stories in or out the NT and that the additional embellishments are not found or used by any early Christian writers. By ...
by hakeem
Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:38 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: dating the birth stories?
Replies: 235
Views: 111483

Re: ProtoEvJames, Justin Martyr, Matthew: birth in a cave, Magi

There's more to these texts than copied here, e.g. Justin prepping Scriptortions, alleged fulfilled prophecies. Justin is Matthew, or it is his twin brother. But my current (that of today, yes) thesis is that it was Justin who took Marcion and turned it into Luke, while writing his own (Matthew). A...