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- Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:32 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: dating the birth stories?
- Replies: 235
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Re: dating the birth stories?
....... Irenaeus was going to do it: by constantly lying, forgery and complete fake he produced 22 books of the NT, and set up the catholic church. In 185 his book was ready in which he presented everything very casually. greetings, Cora. PS: Irenaeus even put himself in the sermon on the mount, wh...
- Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:56 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The introduction of Luke
- Replies: 13
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Re: The introduction of Luke
Firstly, is this an actual dedication to a real person named Theophilus? Under the assumption that it is, it is often proposed that this dedication is evidence that "Luke" was a patron of some wealthy individual who had commissioned him to write these works. To me this seems unlikely. I h...
- Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:27 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: dating the birth stories?
- Replies: 235
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Re: dating the birth stories?
It is true that the orthodox Christians placed the Gospels back in time, prior to Marcion. But I don't think this was a "policy". Rather, they actually believed it. It is the case that some of the Gospel writer, namely "John", intentionally intended their writing to appear like ...
- Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:50 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: dating the birth stories?
- Replies: 235
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Re: dating the birth stories?
The fact that Justin Martyr and Marcion were contemporaries who lived in the time of Antonius c 138-161 CE means that Marcion could not be the source of the birth narrative since he [ Marcion] would need another source from the supposed time of his son of God if he appeared in the time of Pilate. Ju...
- Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:09 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Two Jameses in Galatians: Harmony with Mark and Luke-Acts
- Replies: 18
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Re: Two Jameses in Galatians: Harmony with Mark and Luke-Acts
Not at all. Let's go to a source text: Galatians. After Paul mentioned James, the Lord's brother (1:19), some forteen years later, Paul has a "James" in position of leadership in the church of Jerusalem (2:9). What James? no other "James" is mentioned between 1:19 & 2:9, so ...
- Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:50 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: dating the birth stories?
- Replies: 235
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Re: dating the birth stories?
Perhaps the simplest solution is that Martyr has read multiple birth narratives and was simply harmonizing them. There was no need for Justin to harmonise anything . Justin did reveal his sources for the birth narrative -- "the Memoir of the Apostles". Justin's Dialogue with Trypho C........
- Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:56 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Justin witness of a crucifixion in outer space
- Replies: 2
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Re: Justin witness of a crucifixion in outer space
Justin doesn't say who crucified the Logos on the cosmic X in his reading of Plato. He says simply: " He has X -ed the Son of God in the universe" (1 Apology 60:1-5) It is very probable that the other Christians (who, independently from Justin, "read" that same crucifixion in Pl...
- Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:27 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: dating the birth stories?
- Replies: 235
- Views: 111483
Re: dating the birth stories?
Ben i think saw it as a harmony of Matthew and Luke. Right. Otherwise we face the anomaly of either Matthew or Luke (or both) drawing heavily from James yet managing to avoid drawing the same materials from James. The choice is between (A) a natural conflation of Matthew and Luke by James and (B) s...
- Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:01 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: dating the birth stories?
- Replies: 235
- Views: 111483
Re: dating the birth stories?
The Proto Evangelium of James appears to be a late harmonisation of gLuke, gMatthew and the Memoirs of the Apostles since it contains far more embellishments than all other birth stories in or out the NT and that the additional embellishments are not found or used by any early Christian writers. By ...
- Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:38 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: dating the birth stories?
- Replies: 235
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Re: ProtoEvJames, Justin Martyr, Matthew: birth in a cave, Magi
There's more to these texts than copied here, e.g. Justin prepping Scriptortions, alleged fulfilled prophecies. Justin is Matthew, or it is his twin brother. But my current (that of today, yes) thesis is that it was Justin who took Marcion and turned it into Luke, while writing his own (Matthew). A...