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by Giuseppe
Mon Apr 22, 2024 6:00 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Marcion’s Gospel and the New Testament: Catalyst or Consequence?
Replies: 33
Views: 624

Re: Marcion’s Gospel and the New Testament: Catalyst or Consequence?

on the one hand, it provides answers to many old questions, some of them seemingly resolved a long time ago, others fiercely debated for many decades. While I don't see nothing of "noble" in these matters (probably because of the my own views on morality, as my avatar makes it clear: only...
by Giuseppe
Sun Apr 21, 2024 11:23 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Abraham ibn Daud (d. 1180 CE): mythicism already then
Replies: 6
Views: 227

Re: Abraham ibn Daud (d. 1180 CE): mythicism already then

I stand on this position well described here.

Amicus RandyHelzerman, sed magis amicus Alvar Ellegard.
by Giuseppe
Sun Apr 21, 2024 11:20 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark
Replies: 214
Views: 6519

Re: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark

why not just conclude the whole thing was written at one time, by one author? The "giant midrash" could be added by only an editor, while the original author had only the short survived (not-historical) nucleus about Jesus being given to an anonymous Roman Governor who ordered the his cru...
by Giuseppe
Sun Apr 21, 2024 11:07 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: John the Baptist, redivivus of a 2015 article
Replies: 129
Views: 6393

Re: John the Baptist, redivivus of a 2015 article

Well, unless we can speculate a very convincing reason, I think Occam’s razor still cuts through to the much simpler explanation that the passage actually was original to Josephus I think that you have not read my confession here , where I have given up to doubt about the authenticity of the Baptis...
by Giuseppe
Sun Apr 21, 2024 5:51 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
Replies: 46
Views: 943

Re: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist

It seems that you are begging the question about the implications of an alternative dating. When the alternative dating carries with itself the risk of a total invention de novo of Jesus (with the first gospel), then the original Jesus is reduced to be only a tiny prototype of the invented Jesus: th...
by Giuseppe
Sun Apr 21, 2024 3:45 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark
Replies: 214
Views: 6519

Re: Basic reason why the name of Pilate was absent in the Earliest Passion Story extrapolated from Mark

Sorry, I meant my question in a slightly different sense: Why would inventing a trial before the Romans and a crucifixion make people believe that Jesus was the Messiah? Jews didn’t want to believe in a Messiah who’d died a humiliating death, and crucifixion wouldn’t have fitted well with their exi...
by Giuseppe
Sun Apr 21, 2024 2:42 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
Replies: 46
Views: 943

Re: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist

What sentence even remotely implies that Jesus never existed? it seems to me that the difference escapes to you, between the Jesus lived in the remote past (under Janneus) and, for example, the claim that the historical Jesus was Jesus ben Sapphat, crucified in 70 CE by Titus. In the first case (th...
by Giuseppe
Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:51 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Post-70 anti-Romanism in the oldest gospel fits Mythicism
Replies: 1
Views: 75

Re: Post-70 anti-Romanism in the oldest gospel fits Mythicism

For example: Emmaus is the same place where Varus crucified many Jews.

Marcion was disturbed by the Gerasene cry "we are Legion" and probably he omitted the suicide of Legion into the lake because he didn't imagine that the Good God could desire revenge (at contrary of YHWH).
by Giuseppe
Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:39 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Post-70 anti-Romanism in the oldest gospel fits Mythicism
Replies: 1
Views: 75

Post-70 anti-Romanism in the oldest gospel fits Mythicism

I differ from other mythicists insofar I think that: 1) there are traces of hate against the Romans in the first gospel (or its source). 2) these traces of anti-Roman hate are evidence of mythicism. While for other mythicists the replacement of the original killers (demons) with the Romans was only ...
by Giuseppe
Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:23 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist
Replies: 46
Views: 943

Re: Litwa on Marcion as ancient Mythicist

It is a brute fact that exactly one of : 1. The talmud and the Gospels refer to the same Jesus 2. The talmud and the Gospels do not refer to the same Jesus Is true. it is relative to the thought of the people. For example, Strömholm would answer that 1 is true, while Ellegard would answer that 2 is...