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by rakovsky
Wed Apr 21, 2021 9:59 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Having It Both Ways With Secret Mark
Replies: 95
Views: 23787

Re: Having It Both Ways With Secret Mark

See The Codex Andrew Criddle Thanks for the link. In that page, Roberts theorizes that Mark in Rome, per Tradition, wrote down Peter's memories around the time of Peter's death, ie. 63-67 AD, and that this was probably in a more informal tablet/parchment form than what was found in the early 2nd ce...
by rakovsky
Wed Apr 21, 2021 5:38 am
Forum: Other Texts and History
Topic: Secret Mark, GRS Mead and Morton Smith
Replies: 21
Views: 49313

Re: Secret Mark, GRS Mead and Morton Smith

I have been trying to find out who might have been able to forge the letter of Clement of Alexandria to Theodore (if that is what it was) in the age of Theosophy (roughly 1878 onwards). Having previously suggested G R S Mead, who flourished at the cusp between the late 19th and early 20th centuries...
by rakovsky
Wed Apr 21, 2021 5:30 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Having It Both Ways With Secret Mark
Replies: 95
Views: 23787

Re: Having It Both Ways With Secret Mark

Thanks. It sounds like it is suggesting that the early Mark document could have differed from the canon because it's called a Notebook by Roberts.
by rakovsky
Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:51 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Having It Both Ways With Secret Mark
Replies: 95
Views: 23787

Re: Having It Both Ways With Secret Mark

Andrew, Can you be more specific about Roberts' original theory in 1954? Was he theorizing that a copy of Mark's canonical Gospel came to Egypt early on, like 50 AD, and then retracted this idea and then retracted the idea of an early date? Or was he theorizing that an early version or edition of Ma...
by rakovsky
Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:42 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Secret Mark
Replies: 8
Views: 6046

Re: Secret Mark

To answer John's question: Before discovering or forging it, Morton Smith had been promoting his theory that early Christians had secret occult sexually-related rituals like some Jews did. The Jewish rituals were studied and published by a Jewish colleague that Smith had. However Smith's idea was no...
by rakovsky
Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:57 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Papyrus 20915 - English Translation
Replies: 23
Views: 8727

Re: Papyrus 20915 - English Translation

thanks Rakovsky interesting On the Odes i'm not sure about Bardeisan authorship. Not sure there's any of his doctrines identifiable in them? I've seen some pretty orthodox writers not see them as gnostic, the book by JH Bernard is one. He calls the Pistis Sophia a strange, repulsive book but he lov...
by rakovsky
Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:25 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Papyrus 20915 - English Translation
Replies: 23
Views: 8727

Re: Papyrus 20915 - English Translation

Thanks Rakovsky when talking about gnostics its more about defining what it means than actually discussing anything! But the gnostics were split into many groups with different ideas. I also suspect strongly there was a tendency towards a more 'religious' gnostic system over time which then clashed...
by rakovsky
Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:46 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Papyrus 20915 - English Translation
Replies: 23
Views: 8727

Re: Papyrus 20915 - English Translation

Gnosticism, which existed as a school even before Christianity appeared on the scene; Comical. Like Judaism is separate from "gnosticism." You really have outdated nonsensical notions. Why aren't you as dead as your ideas? Well, I guess that I am, since the idea that Judaism is separate f...
by rakovsky
Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:04 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Papyrus 20915 - English Translation
Replies: 23
Views: 8727

Re: Papyrus 20915 - English Translation

David, To give you a simplified general overview, there were several major philosophical or cosmological systems in the 1st century BC-2nd century AD: -- Judaism; -- the Christianity of Jesus, Peter, John, and Paul, which from the Church's writings of the time, followed the basic theology of Judaism...
by rakovsky
Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:16 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Papyrus 20915 - English Translation
Replies: 23
Views: 8727

Re: Papyrus 20915 - English Translation

I guess that neither gnosticism nor Orthodoxy would normally say necessarily that man lost his original shape or form or image by being in the physical skin or flesh, but blaming the entrance into the material world for death formation of man is characteristic of Gnostic formulas, whereas I think th...