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David wrote;

Simply not true. In Daniel there are innumerable sons of men and "ONE like A son of man" ...

I mean that there is only one "one like a son of man" in Daniel and I assumed that was understood.

Do you think I think there are two Sons of Man? Do you understand that the one like a son of man in Daniel 7 is a heavenly being? Yes and yes. I gather you are saying that some of the references to the Son of Man in the NT refer to Jesus (as a "human being," in the sense that Ezekiel uses...

I was just reading something MichaelBG cited in another thread and it reminds me of something I read in Boyarin regarding Jesus and the divine "authority" that was given to the Son of Man in Daniel 7:14 ("He was given authority..."), as he explains here: https://books.google.com/...

MichaelBG wrote: He is not referring to his future self but the future Son of Man figure. It is only because Christians have equated Jesus with the coming Son of Man that you read it that way. I look at it this way. I assume the Son of Man idea in the gospels is based on Daniel (I happened upon Boya...

And this is how Acts 7:55-56 sees it too.

But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. “Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”

MichaelBG wrote; Catchpole also states that Lk 12:8 “dovetails with such eschatological sayings as Mt 24:27, 37, 39 = Lk 17:24, 26, 30 which show no sign of equating the Son of man with Jesus or of being disqualified from authentic tradition by presupposing the delay of the Parousia.” I think he's t...

MichaelBG wrote: can’t imagine what question regarding the Son of Man sayings that Mt 9:1-5 would be the answer for me because for me the Marcan version (Mk 2:1-12) is older. I didn't see that it was also in Mark. So Mt. 9:1-5 is not special to Matthew then. My bad. He is still talking about himself...

Michael BG wrote: In Q there was a saying where Jesus talks of the Son of Man as a separate being in heaven from himself. Luke 12:8-9 contains it: [8] "And I tell you, every one who acknowledges me before men, the Son of man also will acknowledge before the angels of God; [9] but he who denies ...

Now that I look into it, it also appears to be the case in Mark and material that is unique to Mathew and Luke (or "Q"): Mk. 2:28 (Mt. 12:8/Lk.6:5): So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath. Mt. 8:20/Lk. 9:58: And Jesus said to him, “Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests, ...

MichaelBG wrote: ...this thread is about whether it is likely that Jesus used the term Son of Man to talk about a heavenly figure which was separate from himself Maybe the answer is in Mt. 9:1-5. Jesus stepped into a boat, crossed over and came to his own town. Some men brought to him a paralyzed ma...