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by John2
Wed Mar 06, 2024 6:04 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Josephus a Christian?
Replies: 107
Views: 1732

Re: Was Josephus a Christian?

If he taught to "many" Jews and Gentiles, sure. If Jesus taught to "so many" Jews and Gentiles as you say, and had such a strong historical impact in 80 CE how could someone who never actually met Jesus become the leading authority on his teachings? Obviously his notoriety wasn'...
by John2
Wed Mar 06, 2024 6:02 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Josephus a Christian?
Replies: 107
Views: 1732

Re: Was Josephus a Christian?

If Jesus's name = Shiloh you could make an argument that he was "secretly" held to be Shiloh in 80 CE and Josephus was one of those "secret" admirers. If Jesus was recognized to be a world ruler in 80 CE. Maybe you have a case. Vespasian was world ruler and his name had the same...
by John2
Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:51 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Josephus a Christian?
Replies: 107
Views: 1732

Re: Was Josephus a Christian?

Secret Alias wrote: Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:48 pm
Where' is "nobody" in this?
Jesus had notoriety?

If he taught to "many" Jews and Gentiles, sure.
by John2
Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:47 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Josephus a Christian?
Replies: 107
Views: 1732

Re: Was Josephus a Christian?

The idea that "it makes more sense" that Josephus would recognize YOUR Jesus as Shiloh rather than the contemporary world ruler whose name LITERALLY is the equivalent of Shiloh is mentally challenged. It's idiotic. And Ken, for all his other short-comings is a fucking expert on the TF. I'...
by John2
Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:45 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Josephus a Christian?
Replies: 107
Views: 1732

Re: Was Josephus a Christian?

It makes more sense that Josephus wrote this about a nobody, a complete zero in near contemporary history than an actual world ruler whose name had the numeric value of Shilo. Sure that makes a ton of sense. This is what's wrong with you. You can't get around your own prejudices. I edited it that p...
by John2
Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:40 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Josephus a Christian?
Replies: 107
Views: 1732

Re: Was Josephus a Christian?

It makes more sense that Josephus wrote this about a nobody, a complete zero in near contemporary history than an actual world ruler whose name had the numeric value of Shilo. Sure that makes a ton of sense. This is what's wrong with you. You can't get around your own prejudices. I edited it that p...
by John2
Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:38 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Josephus a Christian?
Replies: 107
Views: 1732

Re: Was Josephus a Christian?

Right ... the coming of the Messiah was extremely important for two lines and completely ignored in the rest of the 30 books of Josephus - except for a brief mention of Jesus as an identifier for his brother in Ant 20.200. It is the mismatch between those two lines and the rest of the 30 books Jose...
by John2
Wed Mar 06, 2024 5:14 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Josephus a Christian?
Replies: 107
Views: 1732

Re: Was Josephus a Christian?

Any way you slice it, I don't see any reason why Josephus as we have him couldn't have written the TF. I don't think he did , but I still think he or any other Jew could have. I think you are still missing the argument. It's not that a Jew couldn't become a Christian and write something like the TF...
by John2
Wed Mar 06, 2024 4:38 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Josephus a Christian?
Replies: 107
Views: 1732

Re: Was Josephus a Christian?

Josephus could not have both thought Vespasian and Jesus fulfilled the same expectation. Sorry Charlie. A Jew would at least have "second thoughts" about Vespasian being the intended figure once they figured out the gematria. But that's exactly what I'm suggesting, that Josephus could hav...
by John2
Wed Mar 06, 2024 4:04 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Was Josephus a Christian?
Replies: 107
Views: 1732

Re: Was Josephus a Christian?

1) No one is claiming that the categories of Jew and Christian are mutually exclusive - I've already said otherwise. 2) I do not think Josephus did think Vespasian was the Messiah. He does not use the word of Vespasian, he's just willing to allow that the rise of Vespasian to be emperor of Rome (an...