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by Ben C. Smith
Fri Sep 16, 2016 2:58 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: MARKed - astonishing text variants
Replies: 99
Views: 79080

Re: MARKed - astonishing text variants

Kunigunde Kreuzerin wrote:But this expression seems to be also a common phrase. I can assume the same in lyrical word-usage or slang and such things. But in a "normal" sentence?
I imagine the only way to tell for certain would be to find relevant examples of such "normal" sentences.
by Ben C. Smith
Fri Sep 16, 2016 9:07 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: MARKed - astonishing text variants
Replies: 99
Views: 79080

Re: MARKed - astonishing text variants

Something else occurs to me, as well. Here is Mark 14.30: 30 And Jesus says to him, “Truly I say to you that this very night, before a cock crows twice , you yourself will deny me three times.” Now, let us imagine the verse as follows: 30 And Jesus says to him, “Truly I say to you that this very nig...
by Ben C. Smith
Fri Sep 16, 2016 8:56 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: MARKed - astonishing text variants
Replies: 99
Views: 79080

Re: MARKed - astonishing text variants

But with the addition of the word “before” it is really really hard to imagine. I assume that in English and Koine Greek it is more or less the same. For me it is really, really easy to imagine. I gave one example from English, and I have found others, so I think my instinct is probably correct on ...
by Ben C. Smith
Fri Sep 16, 2016 6:36 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: MARKed - astonishing text variants
Replies: 99
Views: 79080

Re: MARKed - astonishing text variants

I do not understand why both of you are not a bit more friendly to my suggestion. Well, it is certainly nothing personal. :cheers: When I read your first post about a limited meaning of δὶς I really thought about it, and am still thinking about it. The discussion started with the observation that t...
by Ben C. Smith
Thu Sep 15, 2016 1:56 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: MARKed - astonishing text variants
Replies: 99
Views: 79080

Re: MARKed - astonishing text variants

That may be all fine. But do you think that "δὶς" has the meaning of "again" or "second time", when it stands directly next to "thrice" and the word for "second time" occurs in the verse? Yes, I do, because the same insensitivity to the potential lo...
by Ben C. Smith
Thu Sep 15, 2016 12:54 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: MARKed - astonishing text variants
Replies: 99
Views: 79080

Re: MARKed - astonishing text variants

If I understand it correctly then there is a further problem that could have caused the textual problems. Logically, we look at Mark 14:67-72 and think that the sequence must be first denial , first crow , second denial , third denial , second crow We interpret it as “before the rooster crows the s...
by Ben C. Smith
Wed Sep 14, 2016 8:06 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On the Abomination of Desolation
Replies: 26
Views: 11247

Re: On the Abomination of Desolation

The point of sacrificing swine on the Altars argues in favor of a Non-70s point of the Abomination of Desolation. Not only that, but the term abomination (Hebrew שִׁקּוּץ, Greek βδέλυγμα) is a frequent gloss for an idol in the Hebrew scriptures. 1 Kings 11.5: For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the go...
by Ben C. Smith
Wed Sep 14, 2016 6:00 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: On the Abomination of Desolation
Replies: 26
Views: 11247

Re: On the Abomination of Desolation

I believe that people who suggest alternative interpretations for the “abomination that causes desolation” are not really aware of the extraordinary character of what happened in 70 CE. The abomination of desolation in Daniel and Maccabees appears to refer to the erection of an idol, to which swine...
by Ben C. Smith
Wed Sep 14, 2016 3:52 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: MARKed - astonishing text variants
Replies: 99
Views: 79080

Re: MARKed - astonishing text variants

But isn't there a future perfect tense that might seem more appropriate for a prediction, assuming that such a form for that verb was in use at that time? No, not really. As long as the main verb is in the future tense, which it is, the verbs subordinate to it are free to express aspect. Even in En...
by Ben C. Smith
Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:57 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: MARKed - astonishing text variants
Replies: 99
Views: 79080

Re: MARKed - astonishing text variants

If it is supposed to be a prediction, why is it an aorist verb (past distinct action) and not a future verb? Because it is an infinitive, and the aorist thus carries no necessary past sense. To let someone else explain it a bit more ( http://www.ntgreek.org/learn_nt_greek/inter-tense.htm ): In Engl...