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by Ken Olson
Sat Mar 16, 2024 4:56 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gospel priority
Replies: 117
Views: 3888

Re: Gospel priority

I have suggested in the past that what set off the likes of Michael Goulder & Mark Goodacre, to oppose the very concept, was that it implied that Church tradition was <shudder> wrong. Even though they profess to be agnostics themselves, they are strongly attached to the Christian social gospel ...
by Ken Olson
Sat Mar 16, 2024 2:39 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?
Replies: 74
Views: 2955

Re: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?

On such a map, visiting Jericho would require a detour from the more direct routes to Jerusalem. This can allow the reader who has this kind of paratextual knowledge to wonder about the setting of a scene in Jericho on the way to Jerusalem. They may find an implication that Jesus took a route that ...
by Ken Olson
Sat Mar 16, 2024 12:08 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?
Replies: 74
Views: 2955

Re: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?

As I said in another thread I think the issue has to be about the correct version of the pericope Clement has just quoted. I think it particularly unlikely that Gethsemane is involved. The letter says To you, therefore, I shall not hesitate to answer the questions you have asked, refuting the falsi...
by Ken Olson
Sat Mar 16, 2024 6:45 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?
Replies: 74
Views: 2955

Re: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?

Agamemnon Teslikas' transcription of Clement's Letter: Tselikas - A Transcription of the Text of Clement's Letter - First Page.png Teslikas - A Transcription of the Text of Clement's Letter - Second Page.png The page from Paananen and Viklund with the footnote for the errors they claim to find in Ts...
by Ken Olson
Sat Mar 16, 2024 6:27 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?
Replies: 74
Views: 2955

Re: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?

Could you translate the full sentence and then explain it? Τὸ δὲ γυμνοὶ γυμνῷ καὶ τἆλλα περὶ ὧν ἔγραψας οὐκ εὑρίσκεται. I would understand it as: 'But the naked men with naked man and the other things about which you wrote are not found.' I take the two words γυμνοὶ γυμνῷ to be what Theodore wrote ...
by Ken Olson
Sat Mar 16, 2024 6:25 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?
Replies: 74
Views: 2955

Re: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?

Hi Ken, Andrew and Peter. Could you please bring here the entire Greek text of this letter, as published by anyone, and not just a photo of the manuscript? From the OP: Bibliography: Adam, A.K. M., Fragment of the Letter of Clement to Theodore Containing the Secret Gospel of Mark: A Study Edition (...
by Ken Olson
Fri Mar 15, 2024 5:38 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?
Replies: 74
Views: 2955

Re: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?

Sorry. The author of this sentence means: "The word naked-men (γυμνοὶ is plural ) you wrote is wrong. Instead you should write -of the naked man- (γυμνῷ singular dative). And the other things you did write cannot be found (this could also be: the others things you did write do not exist anywhe...
by Ken Olson
Fri Mar 15, 2024 2:42 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?
Replies: 74
Views: 2955

Re: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?

From what I see in the photo of the text above, Tselikas got it right and Morton Smith wrong. There is no "naked man to naked man" in the text. The authors of this text corrects a spelling mistake made by the person to whom he writes and states that "naked men" is wrong and &quo...
by Ken Olson
Fri Mar 15, 2024 6:12 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?
Replies: 74
Views: 2955

γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?

Greek palaeographer Agamemnon Tselikas produced a transcription of the Greek text of the Letter of Clement to Theodore that notably differed from that of R. Morton Smith and others who had read γυμνὸς γυμνῷ, 'naked man [sg.] with naked man' in line 67 (line 13 of page 3 in AKMA's transcription) of t...
by Ken Olson
Fri Mar 15, 2024 1:02 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gospel priority
Replies: 117
Views: 3888

Re: Gospel priority

The classic argument for Q is that Matthew and Luke independently used Mark (but not each other). It is difficult to speak confidently about 'Q' when the double tradition material appears in *Ev and Mt already, for Luke to use there. Of course, the two source hypothesis (with Q) does deserve consid...