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GDon, I am not talking about the humanity of Jesus or his provenance from Judah just as Osiris from Egypt or Mithra from Persia or Tammuz from Syria. 1 Clement learned from the Gospels the idea that Jesus was the founder of the sect. Nowhere the same idea is found in Paul, where the "founder&qu...

1 Clement insists too much on the idea of Jesus Christ as Only Founder of the Sect: The Apostles received the Gospel for us from the Lord Jesus Christ; Jesus Christ was sent forth from God. 1Clem 42:2 So then Christ is from God, and the Apostles are from Christ. Both therefore came of the will of Go...

I do see Revelation as basically a non-Christian Zealot text that got Christianised by some enthusiast in that wing of the church before denigrated, then christianized. Note the very bad treatment received by the Celestial Woman of Revelation in proto-John: The Johannine Christ denies Mary. The Joh...

So essentially the Gospel John the Baptist, even if he existed, was a figure derived from Josephus (or invented ex novo by 'Mark') to eclipse the disturbing figure of John of the Book of Revelation: a Zealot figure (John of Giscala?) who adored a celestial Joshua who had to come during the First Rev...

Specifically about the Book of Revelation: the first chapters and the conclusion are easily seen as Christian additions. But the rest is a Jewish text dating to 70 CE: a Zealot text. When it comes to mark Jews with a sign to preserve them from extermination (7:4), the author draws from Ezekiel (9:4)...

This point appears to be decisive:


(p. 87)

Quoting from Dave Allen, with a slight alteration , the following is a hypothetical reconstruction of what there was in the place of the Testimonium Eusebianum : Now there was about this time Judas the Galilean , an innovator and deceiver of the people. Through his sorcery and innovations he drew ov...

The impression is that Judas the Galilean (and by extension, his probable killer: Pilate) differs from the other seditionists (respectively, for Pilate: from other Roman Governors) in virtue of his recognized role of Founder of a Sect (respectively, for Pilate: his recognized role of killer of a suc...

Hence the next question is:

Given the HISTORICAL FACT that Pilate crucified Judas the Galilean or an equivalent seditionist from Judea, how could that precise fact work as controlling factor in Mark's choice of Pilate to fix his invented Jesus in human history ?

Another point: hardly the Acta Pilati were without a historical kernel, since they had access to the Imperial Archives, hence their "Jesus" was probably the seditionist known as Judas the Galilean, since the Gospel Jesus never existed. The implication is the concrete possibility that the s...