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- Sun Apr 14, 2024 8:00 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The gospel writers saw Jesus as an angel figure, gave him a version of the name Yahweh
- Replies: 9
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Re: The gospel writers saw Jesus as an angel figure, gave him a version of the name Yahweh
The possible interpretations may be numerous and contradictory. Jesus may be the son of El Elyon, he may be the son of YHWH. Literally or spiritually. I think there is also the question of timing. If Christianity started from a Jewish context, then "son of God" probably was a term that di...
- Sun Apr 14, 2024 3:06 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The gospel writers saw Jesus as an angel figure, gave him a version of the name Yahweh
- Replies: 9
- Views: 330
Re: The gospel writers saw Jesus as an angel figure, gave him a version of the name Yahweh
Yahweh was one of the sons of El Elyon; and Jesus in the Gospels was described as a Son of El Elyon, God Most High. In other words, he was described as a heavenly being. Isn't "son of God" also used in a spiritual sense in the NT? For example, in the Gospel of John: Jhn 1:45 Philip findet...
- Sun Apr 14, 2024 10:49 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
- Replies: 51
- Views: 1088
Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
4) Marcion was, by his own standards, honest. He was trying to restore the gospel to what he thought was its original form. He worked with existing material, omitting a great deal of material from Luke, and some form Paul, and perhaps occasionally using readings from Mark or Matthew, as well as edi...
- Sat Apr 13, 2024 9:25 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
- Replies: 51
- Views: 1088
Re: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
As Peter noted, the thread isn't about trying to prove one theory or another, but rather what is people's best guess about how Marcion fits into early Christianity? I'm interested in reading the range of views people have developed based on their intuition, and not challenging anyone to 'prove' that...
- Sat Apr 13, 2024 6:25 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
- Replies: 51
- Views: 1088
Implications of Marcion for early Christianity?
There have been lots of threads about Marcion and early Christianity recently. I was wondering what theories people have around the implications of Marcion for early Christianity. Not necessarily HJ vs MJ, though that could be a part of it, but on the development of early Christianity itself. For my...
- Fri Apr 12, 2024 11:23 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Celsus thought that Jesus was one of the victims of Alexander Ianneus
- Replies: 9
- Views: 252
Re: Celsus thought that Jesus was one of the victims of Alexander Ianneus
In which case Celsus is referring to John the Baptist, probably using the Gospel of John: which cannot explain why Celsus uses the plural to describe the group of the person who witnessed the presumed miracle: the statement of another of those individuals who have been punished along with you He do...
- Fri Apr 12, 2024 2:32 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Celsus thought that Jesus was one of the victims of Alexander Ianneus
- Replies: 9
- Views: 252
Re: Celsus thought that Jesus was one of the victims of Alexander Ianneus
When you were bathing, says the Jew, beside John, you say that what had the appearance of a bird from the air alighted upon you. And then this same Jew of his, continuing his interrogations, asks, What credible witness beheld this appearance? Or who heard a voice from heaven declaring you to be the...
- Wed Apr 10, 2024 11:34 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: No One Feels Uncomfortable With the Idea that Irenaeus Associated a Particular Gospel with a Particular Sect?
- Replies: 8
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Re: No One Feels Uncomfortable With the Idea that Irenaeus Associated a Particular Gospel with a Particular Sect?
But could such an arrangement where four gospels correspond to the four types of heresies be descriptive. Could there have been a situation out there were God arranged for there to be four gospels ... and ... it just so happens that four heresies "sprung up" around these four gospels? The...
- Wed Apr 10, 2024 2:05 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: No One Feels Uncomfortable With the Idea that Irenaeus Associated a Particular Gospel with a Particular Sect?
- Replies: 8
- Views: 297
Re: No One Feels Uncomfortable With the Idea that Irenaeus Associated a Particular Gospel with a Particular Sect?
It's intriguing, not uncomfortable. You can't have heresy without orthodoxy, and you can't have orthodoxy without power. Before the proto-orthodox gained power, different Christian groups split out and modified a central story about Jesus, creating their own Gospel story. Why would a group decide to...
- Wed Apr 10, 2024 1:49 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Is BeDuhn right? Are patristic scholars terrified that almost all patristic manuscripts are medieval and later?
- Replies: 5
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Re: Is BeDuhn right? Are patristic scholars terrified that almost all patristic manuscripts are medieval and later?
Yes the late medieval dating is well known. What is not as well known is the claim (BeDuhn) that the patristic scholars are "terrified" of this fact. This is the subject of the OP. I'm not aware of patristic scholars being "terrified" of this fact from my reading of secondary sc...