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- Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:12 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Transfiguration == original crucifixion in the Earliest Gospel
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Re: Transfiguration == original crucifixion in the Earliest Gospel
Love, weeping, deeply moved, distressed, avoiding embarrassment - you see these as non-human emotions and a lack of personality????
- Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:04 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Transfiguration == original crucifixion in the Earliest Gospel
- Replies: 73
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Re: Transfiguration == original crucifixion in the Earliest Gospel
and seems to have prompted Jesus avoiding future contact with him. Which is equivalent to give too much personality to Jesus. Very improbable, for a Gospel where Jesus is a bidimensional character, absolutely without human feelings. Do you mean Jesus had no emotion in the Gospel of John? John 11:5,...
- Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:07 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Transfiguration == original crucifixion in the Earliest Gospel
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Re: Transfiguration == original crucifixion in the Earliest Gospel
true. Turmel argues for the interpolation, the original being "Son of God" (with John as positive character). But for a Gnostic, a John who says " Lamb of God" becomes ipso facto a negative character, even if he had said in a previous version "Son of God" and not "...
- Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:36 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Transfiguration == original crucifixion in the Earliest Gospel
- Replies: 73
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Re: Transfiguration == original crucifixion in the Earliest Gospel
It only has no distinction from our third party viewpoint, knowing what we already think we can interprete from the later passages in the Gospel. But at the scene at the Jordan these later revelations had not yet been given, so there is a clear distinction for the audience at this point between who ...
- Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:11 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Paraclite is Marcion
- Replies: 22
- Views: 32210
Re: The Paraclite is Marcion
If the birth of the Son is in heaven, then the mother can't be the earthly mother named Mary of later Gospels, sorry. Is this a case where you read Revelation with the Gospel-coloured glasses? I fear that is the case. Perhaps the imagery comes from somewhere outside of the Gospels? Such as a confla...
- Thu Feb 13, 2020 1:54 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Transfiguration == original crucifixion in the Earliest Gospel
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Re: Transfiguration == original crucifixion in the Earliest Gospel
John knows that he is an alien. This is only a partial revelation. Too few to conclude: John "knows" him. Yes. A partial revelation at this point. John and the Jerusalem Jews did not know Jesus, but his identity was revealed to them. It was only later that the full revelation came about w...
- Thu Feb 13, 2020 1:48 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Transfiguration == original crucifixion in the Earliest Gospel
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Re: Transfiguration == original crucifixion in the Earliest Gospel
I and Turmel disagree. "The Lamb" is an interpolation replacing the original "son of God". It is an interpolation meant to make proto-John more similar to Revelation to put catholically the two books under the paternity of the same author (John son of Zebedee). That is also the ...
- Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:39 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Transfiguration == original crucifixion in the Earliest Gospel
- Replies: 73
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Re: Transfiguration == original crucifixion in the Earliest Gospel
So you agree with John 1:1-2, 14 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God...And the Word became flesh and lived among us, and we have seen his glory, the glory as of a father’s only son, full of grace and truth. However John 1:2...
- Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:24 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Paraclite is Marcion
- Replies: 22
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Re: The Paraclite is Marcion
You are still possessed of the delusion that I am a Christian apologist. Do you really think I take the New Testament as literal truth? Or that I am unaware that it is a collection of works that were not written to be a collection of works? But you are quite right about the birth. The woman gave bir...
- Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:29 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Paraclite is Marcion
- Replies: 22
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Re: The Paraclite is Marcion
As I pointed out - Rev 12:5-6 She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne,and the woman fled into the wilderness , where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days Rev...