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- Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:19 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Synoptic Problem: Strong cases for the greater primitivity of Matthew or Luke
- Replies: 6
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Re: The Synoptic Problem: Strong cases for the greater primitivity of Matthew or Luke
to Ken Olson, Bernard Muller gave several examples that he argued showed the greater primitivity of the Lukan form I did not argue for that. But I did argue for the existence of Q, which is different. (Bolding mine) ... I am assuming that most (though not all) Christian communities in the Roman empi...
- Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:54 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Synoptic Problem: Strong cases for the greater primitivity of Matthew or Luke
- Replies: 6
- Views: 2432
Re: The Synoptic Problem: Strong cases for the greater primitivity of Matthew or Luke
to Ken Olson, About the parable of the talents/pounds: Maybe "Luke" didn't keep track on how many pounds one would just have (which can be very easily overlooked, even by "Luke") because of fatigue. But if "Luke" was fatigued, then why departing so much from gMatthew? I...
- Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:39 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Demonstrating Q (Quelle) was a document and "Luke" did not know gMatthew.
- Replies: 83
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Demonstrating Q (Quelle) was a document and "Luke" did not know gMatthew.
Demonstrating Q (Quelle) was a document and "Luke" did not know gMatthew. A) The "missing block" It has been noticed gLuke does not incorporate any material from gMark 6:47 to 8:27a (except for one saying: see next note), a total of 74.5 verses. It is called the great omission (...
- Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:53 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Dating the Lord's Prayer
- Replies: 20
- Views: 6759
Re: Dating the Lord's Prayer
Thanks Peter,
Yes, I plan and NOT I planned.
Cordially, Bernard
Yes, I plan and NOT I planned.
Cordially, Bernard
- Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:56 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Dating the Lord's Prayer
- Replies: 20
- Views: 6759
Re: Dating the Lord's Prayer
to Ken Olson, Nothing in what you proposed prevents the view that "Mark" heard (from an eyewitness) about the Lord's prayer (11:25, 14:36,38) and then a Q author got parts of the Lord's prayer according to gMark and then added his own stuff. That would be according to: gMark-->Q-->gLuke &a...
- Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:09 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Dating the Lord's Prayer
- Replies: 20
- Views: 6759
Re: Dating the Lord's Prayer
to Ken Olson, Thank you Ken for your comments: You wrote: It is not at all obvious that Luke could not have gotten his material for 12.1b from Mark 8.15 and/or Matt 16.6, 11 unless one first establishes that he did not know either Mark 6.47-8.27a or Matt 14.24-16.13a, as indeed you claim he did not....
- Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:03 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Dating the Lord's Prayer
- Replies: 20
- Views: 6759
Re: Dating the Lord's Prayer
to Ken Olson, I wonder how Goulder, Farrer and yourself handle: gLuke does not have the so-called Bethsaida mini gospel except "Luke" knew about this in it: Mk8:15 "take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and the leaven of Herod." in the missing block reappears in Lk12:1...
- Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:56 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The start of the Jesus story
- Replies: 244
- Views: 97174
Re: The start of the Jesus story
to hakeem, The so-called Paul has admitted he was not the first to preach the faith. Faith is not all of what Paul's preached according to his epistles. All NT stories of Jesus of Nazareth, the apostles and Saul/Paul are fiction. Therefore, you should not use them as historical evidence to make your...
- Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:24 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Dating the Lord's Prayer
- Replies: 20
- Views: 6759
Re: Dating the Lord's Prayer
to Ken Olson, I think it's probably post-70. There's a two stage argument for that. (1) In Mark 11, Jesus prophetically predicts the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem, when he says: ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer for all the nations’? But you have made it a den of robbers.” (Mark 1...
- Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:06 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The start of the Jesus story
- Replies: 244
- Views: 97174
Re: The start of the Jesus story
to hakeem, The gospel of Jesus in Mark has little to do with the one preached by Paul. Even if the disciples saw the resurrected Jesus first, whom reappearances, soon after the crucifixion, I consider total fiction, Paul comes last, due to the fact Paul was not an eyewitness of Jesus and him as a pe...