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- Sun Nov 06, 2016 8:11 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Against Paul as the Name of the Apostle
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Re: Against Paul as the Name of the Apostle
I think this is where the discussion is headed (even though we need to uncover more evidence certainly). The name Paul likely results owing to a historical struggle between those who understood ἔσχατος 'religiously' - i.e. to mean 'least' or small - and those who interpreted the terminology 'tempora...
- Sun Nov 06, 2016 8:06 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The evolution of christian cultic vocabulary
- Replies: 65
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Re: The evolution of christian cultic vocabulary
And the same argument applies again John2 (who has this strange obsession with Qumran even though the material was likely from the first century BCE). Christianity was clearly obsessed with angels and being 'like the angels.' It was a mundane community (not at arguing whether or not the Qumran commu...
- Sun Nov 06, 2016 8:03 am
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The evolution of christian cultic vocabulary
- Replies: 65
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Re: The evolution of christian cultic vocabulary
But spin, do you see the inherited bias? If you begin (unconsciously or not) to assume that Christians were a real community with a real historical Jesus you approach the terminology as if it means ordinary assembly. But I began with the earliest independent attestation for εκκλησια (Celsus) and it ...
- Sat Nov 05, 2016 9:56 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Against Paul as the Name of the Apostle
- Replies: 44
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Re: Against Paul as the Name of the Apostle
When Adversus Marcionem paraphrases the apostle so that: ... that they are in character with an apostle who professes that to the Jews he became a Jew that he might gain the Jews, and one living under the law for the sake of those who were living under the lawc—and so even for the sake of those brou...
- Sat Nov 05, 2016 9:49 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Against Paul as the Name of the Apostle
- Replies: 44
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Re: Against Paul as the Name of the Apostle
Ben, I wanted to note that there is a comparative quality to the argument which precedes the mention of your name in Adversus Marcionem: Let Christ, let the apostle, belong to your other god: yet you have no proof of it except from the Creator's archives (Sit Christus, sit apostolus, ut alterius, du...
- Sat Nov 05, 2016 9:43 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Against Paul as the Name of the Apostle
- Replies: 44
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Re: Against Paul as the Name of the Apostle
I think I have figured out the name 'Cerinthus' incidentally:
Hebrew אַחֲרֽוֹן = last, end
Samaritan Aramaic ˀḥrw, ˀḥrwtˀ n.f. end
Hebrew אַחֲרֽוֹן = last, end
Samaritan Aramaic ˀḥrw, ˀḥrwtˀ n.f. end
- Sat Nov 05, 2016 9:38 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Against Paul as the Name of the Apostle
- Replies: 44
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Re: Against Paul as the Name of the Apostle
It is curious that the LXX uses ἔσχατος in a different sense than the NT. ἔσχατος is a comparative. καὶ μισήσῃ αὐτὴν ὁ ἀνὴρ ὁ ἔσχατος καὶ γράψει αὐτῇ βιβλίον ἀποστασίου καὶ δώσει εἰς τὰς χεῖρας αὐτῆς καὶ ἐξαποστελεῖ αὐτὴν ἐκ τῆς οἰκίας αὐτοῦ ἢ ἀποθάνῃ ὁ ἀνὴρ ὁ ἔσχατος ὃς ἔλαβεν αὐτὴν ἑαυτῷ γυναῖκα a...
- Sat Nov 05, 2016 8:36 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Against Paul as the Name of the Apostle
- Replies: 44
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Re: Against Paul as the Name of the Apostle
Love you. That is very cool. Almost too cool to contemplate. ἔσχατος is another clue. How far does it go back? Does it go back to something in Hebrew? Hmmm. Harry Potter is ending and soon it will be bed time.
- Sat Nov 05, 2016 8:31 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Against Paul as the Name of the Apostle
- Replies: 44
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Re: Against Paul as the Name of the Apostle
FWIW I have always thought the editors turned singular nouns into plurals when spoken by the apostle (in our recension of the texts). Take for example this one: God has put us apostles on display at the end of the procession, like those condemned to die in the arena. We have been made a spectacle to...
- Sat Nov 05, 2016 8:20 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Against Paul as the Name of the Apostle
- Replies: 44
- Views: 12027