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by davidmartin
Thu Apr 04, 2024 7:05 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How the Gospels got their attributions...
Replies: 10
Views: 373

Re: How the Gospels got their attributions...

goods points, but its obvious to me the disciple Jesus loves is Magdalene and the redactor probably changed it from Mary at these points, but didn't scrub out all the pieces. This would indicate an earlier tradition where she plays more of a role than she does already (a notable role), so even after...
by davidmartin
Tue Apr 02, 2024 5:06 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How the Gospels got their attributions...
Replies: 10
Views: 373

Re: How the Gospels got their attributions...

one argument for a proto john is if john were actually using a source for some of it's material and adding a narrative John reminds me of the way a few gnostic texts do this So this would be the first person Jesus stuff of an older revelation or treatise. maybe the prologue John seems quite suited t...
by davidmartin
Fri Mar 29, 2024 8:17 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: History trumps Theology
Replies: 69
Views: 1335

Re: History trumps Theology

which is interesting from a historicist perspective if your beloved leader suffers such a fate as to be crucified the memorial and remembrance of such would be expected to feature but that is not the same thing as a theology based around the event this is exactly what we see in the Odes where the ev...
by davidmartin
Fri Mar 29, 2024 6:27 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: History trumps Theology
Replies: 69
Views: 1335

Re: History trumps Theology

isn't this the difference between subjective and objective reality? like, for example, there are wars on-going right now where people are murdering each other. at some point won't people think that the metaphorical view is just an excuse to bypass what is condemned objectively? how is one view super...
by davidmartin
Fri Mar 29, 2024 5:59 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How the Gospels got their attributions...
Replies: 10
Views: 373

Re: How the Gospels got their attributions...

the synoptics are not for sure early as 2 out of 3 of them are later revisions
so it's whether the proto-John is earlier than the original synoptic
how do we know that John doesn't preserve more ancient ideas?
by davidmartin
Fri Mar 29, 2024 3:19 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: How the Gospels got their attributions...
Replies: 10
Views: 373

Re: How the Gospels got their attributions...

i think it looks like the gospels are being massaged to fit in with the Pauline narrative rather than they (or their sources) not existing prior to the epistles. why did Acts take pains to introduce Paul out of nowhere, because he wasn't originally there?
by davidmartin
Fri Mar 29, 2024 2:51 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: The X-Files: Chrēstos / Christos / Χρειστος
Replies: 467
Views: 18694

Re: The X-Files: Chrēstos / Christos / Χρειστος

Frankenberg (1937) suggests a translation into Greek here of αγαθού (good one), which would change the interpretation a little, into something like a phrase for the kingdom of God. I don't necessarily agree with his suggestion, but I don't know of any better authority saying differently either. I h...
by davidmartin
Fri Mar 29, 2024 2:32 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: History trumps Theology
Replies: 69
Views: 1335

Re: History trumps Theology

I don't do any history? Maybe check my posts over the last 10 years. he's yanking your chain.. imagine if you were the moderator of a forum. you'd do the same, don't worry about it my advice is to do the Indiana Jones thing, I mean if you feel you have a gun and he's just got a sword you can just s...
by davidmartin
Fri Mar 29, 2024 2:24 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: According to Irenaeus, who were the Gnostics?
Replies: 26
Views: 880

Re: According to Irenaeus, who were the Gnostics?

the best way to know who the gnostics were is from the gnostic texts i mean if you want to know what they are, just read their texts and go from there. problem solved ,right? why go off secondary sources when we have primary ones. what the church fathers thought of them is they are some screwballs t...
by davidmartin
Thu Mar 28, 2024 2:07 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: According to Irenaeus, who were the Gnostics?
Replies: 26
Views: 880

Re: According to Irenaeus, who were the Gnostics?

one problem is the gnostic texts in the NHL library fail to hat-tip Simon at all as their founder, and on the contrary some are seen to oppose him outright so far i've not seen anything that supports interpreting Simon as the founder of Gnosticism and that is not necessarily contra Irenaeus or the o...