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by davidmartin
Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:41 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts
Replies: 233
Views: 14436

Re: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts

I'd love to have an interactive translation of the Odes, but it'll have to wait I guess. Yes, the Odes are spiritual above all - and Paul most certainly no Hebrew, Israelite or "of the seed of Abraham". It's easy to rework spiritual texts into religious ones, Thomas and his canonical cous...
by davidmartin
Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:23 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts
Replies: 233
Views: 14436

Re: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts

You can do nothing but read the texts, and nothing but the texts. Statements like "he fell out with the founder" are not only completely irrelevant, they are hearsay, gossip, unsubstantiated nonsense and they likely were made in order to derail, disinform, "to fake news da f*ck out o...
by davidmartin
Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:15 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts
Replies: 233
Views: 14436

Re: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts

Oh yes I forgot, tnx. When I went through the gospels for my 72 logia, reading every single letter because I had no idea about anything back in 2019, going by Matthew made my physically and mentally sick somehow. It also was the combination of how he twisted Thomas to yet a more extreme shade of da...
by davidmartin
Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:04 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts
Replies: 233
Views: 14436

Re: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts

There is not a shred of pro-Judaism in anything: neither the gospels, nor the epistles, and certainly not the FF. Do note that your Jesus 1 is present in the NT, on the side: it gets fumbled in between the story and known as the Passion Prediction. Jesus 2 will never pop up but it's the Jesus that ...
by davidmartin
Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:33 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts
Replies: 233
Views: 14436

Re: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts

Sinouhe i think i was also replying to GD somewhere along the way The good news is the death and resurrection of the servant / Jesus who sacrificed himself to save humanity from Adam's sin The good news Jesus seems to preach in the gospels is 'eternal life' - nice and simple Paul's gospel seems to b...
by davidmartin
Sun Mar 19, 2023 2:00 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts
Replies: 233
Views: 14436

Re: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts

whaaat, i'm only allowed to believe what the epistles say? seems kind of limiting, is this christianforum.com? :D so the apostle is preaching only something unique merely in it's acceptance of gentiles? that's the big revelation, not all the other stuff he comes out with All perfectly in agreement w...
by davidmartin
Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:02 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts
Replies: 233
Views: 14436

Re: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts

Appreciate your reply, you give good arguments back which i should be able to respond to Yes but that Jesus is nowhere to be found in Paul. I'm not convinced the gospels can be ignored as sources to the Jesus Paul is talking about To ignore is to reject, seems a bit extreme to me without some seriou...
by davidmartin
Sat Mar 18, 2023 1:20 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts
Replies: 233
Views: 14436

Re: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts

Rather than making assumptions like you do by imagining that the other apostles spoke of Jesus' parables (which Paul never does and never even mentions the term) This is exactly my point. A historical Jesus would have spent time, years even, teaching his followers. His teaching/ways/steps would be ...
by davidmartin
Fri Mar 17, 2023 12:59 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts
Replies: 233
Views: 14436

Re: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts

Sinouhe, you mention the easiest one, what about the 'super apostles' and the varying beliefs Paul tries to combat, in fact struggles to defend in the face of his rivals. you seem to accept the apostle's portrayal of the situation, but we only have his side of it. Paul is adept at presentation, mast...
by davidmartin
Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:35 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts
Replies: 233
Views: 14436

Re: Why I think a historical Jesus is best explanation for earliest texts

Sure, there's no absolute need unless it helps explain something but what about all the apostle's run ins with other apostles? he doesn't seem to get on with any of them if some of them were the historical guys followers it could explain it admittedly they could be competitors in a mythological Jesu...