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by Joseph D. L.
Sun Mar 17, 2024 7:37 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Flaw with Marcion priority theory?
Replies: 17
Views: 550

Re: Flaw with Marcion priority theory?

I take issue with dabber's characterization of Marcion's priority. Of course if consensus' dating of the synoptics and Paul are correct then Marcion's priority would not be feasible. But consider: if the consensus is correct it doesn't explain why Marcion would feel compelled to do what he is accuse...
by Joseph D. L.
Sun Mar 17, 2024 4:55 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Source of Mark's Naked Youth Narrative?
Replies: 18
Views: 420

Re: The Source of Mark's Naked Youth Narrative?

??? "And Noah began to be a husbandman, and planted a vineyard: and he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it up...
by Joseph D. L.
Sun Mar 17, 2024 1:01 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: The Source of Mark's Naked Youth Narrative?
Replies: 18
Views: 420

Re: The Source of Mark's Naked Youth Narrative?

I think in regards to the Judeo-Christian mystery interpretation, the gymno initiation rite is to return to a pre-fall state where Adam and Eve were naked in Eden. Also makes me think of Christians calling themselves athletes of Christ, since athletes performed naked in Greece.
by Joseph D. L.
Sun Mar 17, 2024 9:59 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?
Replies: 39
Views: 826

Re: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?

Epiphanius never says "after 70 CE". This is just rank traditionalism. He only says the Ebionites came after the Nazarenes. Epiphanius says that Ebion came after the Nazoraeans, whom had moved to Cocabe shortly before Jerusalem fell. The Ebionites' 'origin came after the fall of Jerusalem...
by Joseph D. L.
Sat Mar 16, 2024 8:35 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?
Replies: 39
Views: 826

Re: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?

I don't think the Ebionite Matthew was "anti-Jewish" for being anti-sacrifice and largely unobservant. That would be like saying Reform Jews are "anti-Jewish" for being anti-sacrifice and largely unobservant. But I figure a Jewish writing that promoted these things would have ap...
by Joseph D. L.
Fri Mar 15, 2024 8:36 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?
Replies: 39
Views: 826

Re: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?

But Paul was Jewish, so there is already a precedent for Marcion using Jewish writings. It's baked into Marcionism even if we set aside his gospel (unless Paul wasn't Jewish in Marcionism). So having access to and using a Jewish gospel wouldn't be unusual for Marcion (especially one that was largel...
by Joseph D. L.
Fri Mar 15, 2024 5:22 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?
Replies: 39
Views: 826

Re: Is *Ev a source of the Gospel of the Ebionites?

And it makes more sense for Ebionites to have been influenced by Elxaii since they were all Jewish, rather than Ebionites being influenced by Gentile Christianity or by a document that circulated among Gentiles. But that logic cuts both ways as Marcion's gospel is dependent on a Jewish bedrock to s...
by Joseph D. L.
Fri Mar 15, 2024 2:52 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Flaw with Marcion priority theory?
Replies: 17
Views: 550

Re: Flaw with Marcion priority theory?

:cheers: Cheers MrMacSon To give an example of what I am driving at, we can look to Mark and its longer ending. For an unknown length of time Mark circulated with the narrative terminating at the women fleeing the empty tomb, telling no one of the resurrection, implied to include the disciples thems...
by Joseph D. L.
Thu Mar 14, 2024 2:01 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Flaw with Marcion priority theory?
Replies: 17
Views: 550

Re: Flaw with Marcion priority theory?

A problem I see with these reconstructed timelines and priority lists is they are thinking too linearly; too two dimensionally. That is not to dismiss them off hand or say that they are not interesting (and who knows? Maybe they are right? Mark really was first and was first century), but it is a re...
by Joseph D. L.
Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:41 pm
Forum: Classical Texts and History
Topic: Spackling over the Crumbly Bits
Replies: 6
Views: 802

Re: Spackling over the Crumbly Bits

It really speaks to modern man's need to control that the past is not allowed to pass away peacefully and with dignity. Such restoration projects do not preserve art, which is ephemeral and fleeting, but instead it perverts it into something that is lesser than the sum of its parts, empties out its ...