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Note also that the same heresies that appear in chapters 8 - 11 of Against Hereses - i.e. 'Ebion,' 'Marcion,' and 'Valentinus' only Paul is juxtaposed against their teachings instead of the four gospels. Clearly I believe that the editor of Against Heresies simply removed Paul as the ultimate arbit...

This reminds me of the old Presbyterian joke about Mary. After heated debate it was decided by 51% vote that Mary was a virgin. Gotta love the Scots. A few more votes the other way and Mary would be a skilled and experienced teenager. I do love the way Carrier pulls numbers out of his rear end, then...

Both premises of the OP is wrong, first that the prologue might be separate and second that the Valentinians only used the prologue I understand that if I said the sky was blue on a sunny day you'd still argue it was red but THAT IS what Irenaeus says in the citation. How can the OP be wrong unless...

Both premises of the OP is wrong, first that the prologue might be separate and second that the Valentinians only used the prologue. Origen's commentary on John goes into detail about how the prominent Valentinian Heracleon interpreted the Samaritan Woman story in John, and even notes that in verse ...

You are wrong Giuseppe. We have already listed all the places in the text where the son of man is attested as present in Marcion. But the evidence is even greater than that. For example in Dialogue Adamantius 1.7 (Pretty's English translation) we are given a clear indication of how the Marcionites r...

Sorry Joe, This falls under the category of nice try, but epic fail. :facepalm: The reason is simple, you fail to examine parallels, and again you fail to consider Matthew as the direct source. And do not in anyway eliminate it as a source. This allows me to throw an avalanche of evidence against it...

These are both examples of Adoptionist theology

This needs to be moved to "lounge"

Why do people say Mar(s)ion instead of Mar(k)ion? Americans for over a century said Marc(s)ion and English have said Mar(k)ion. That is 99% the explanation, pronunciation is local to your English. As an American I prefer the soft "c" to more clearly distinguish Marcion from Mark. Some Ame...

Steven, One final comment on an observation made by Clabeaux about the Marcionite text I find poignant. He held the concept of a "pre-Marcionite" text of Paul and the Gospels, which were shorter than our Canonical. Although I doubt a pre-Marcionite version of the texts was "publicly&q...