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by DCHindley
Sat Mar 07, 2015 8:55 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Harnack's Edition of Marcion's Apostolikon (Gal 1:1-2:10)
Replies: 10
Views: 7544

Re: Harnack's Edition of Marcion's Apostolikon (Gal 1:1-2:10

For comparison, Jason BeDuhn, The First New Testament (2013) pp 260ff It's a pretty complete analysis and footnoting system, and readily available in English. However, one thing I have learned while fanning between the footnotes of von Manen, Detering and Mahar, the citing the references is an art,...
by DCHindley
Sat Mar 07, 2015 6:37 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Udo Schnelle: Early Christianity and Culture
Replies: 37
Views: 15149

Re: Udo Schnelle: Early Christianity and Culture

FWIW: Someone (sorry to have forgotten whom) challenged my assertion that Latin Rhetoric was more complicated than Greek rhetoric. I was trying to make a point that Paul, a Greek speaking person from the Greek speaking provinces of Asia Minor and Syria, would be more likely to practice Greek style r...
by DCHindley
Sat Mar 07, 2015 2:59 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Udo Schnelle: Early Christianity and Culture
Replies: 37
Views: 15149

Re: Udo Schnelle: Early Christianity and Culture

Clive wrote:And looking at that table I do not see utter chaos but broad agreement!
I'll believe that when I see someone has downloaded the spreadsheet ...

DCH
by DCHindley
Sat Mar 07, 2015 2:59 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Udo Schnelle: Early Christianity and Culture
Replies: 37
Views: 15149

Re: Udo Schnelle: Early Christianity and Culture

Pretty complicated stuff ... ... One could develop his whole life's study around this and not be right. Do you agree we should keep a rhetorical lens on Paul while using moderation? By "with moderation," do you mean "without engaging in flame warfare"? I could get into that ... ...
by DCHindley
Sat Mar 07, 2015 11:54 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Udo Schnelle: Early Christianity and Culture
Replies: 37
Views: 15149

Re: Udo Schnelle: Early Christianity and Culture

To illustrate the utter chaos that exists among quite competent classicists when it comes to classifying any rhetorical methods/style Paul is thought to have presented in his works, here is a list of the analyses of several critics restricted to the book of Galatians: Hans Dieter Betz (1975, Galatia...
by DCHindley
Sat Mar 07, 2015 11:16 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Udo Schnelle: Early Christianity and Culture
Replies: 37
Views: 15149

Re: Udo Schnelle: Early Christianity and Culture

I've put together an annotated list of the important ancient works on rhetoric, garnered primarily from Kern's book, but annotated with details from Wiki or other web pages dedicated to these works. Aristotle (fl. 384 – 322 BC, Greek): Ῥητορική = Ars Rhetorica , "The 'Art' of Rhetoric" [tr...
by DCHindley
Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:24 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: David Trobisch"The Consensus is Marcionite Priority Over Lk"
Replies: 68
Views: 33527

Re: David Trobisch"The Consensus is Marcionite Priority Over

Who is this mysterious "Stephen Hermann Huller" of Dr. Price? Stephen = Stephan (misspelled on purpose) Hermann = as in "a Hermann Detering clone" Huller = Huller ?? Hmmm, "Stephen" was just a typo in the post. I guess it was indeed our own Stephan Hermann (is that real...
by DCHindley
Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:04 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Harnack's Edition of Marcion's Apostolikon (Gal 1:1-2:10)
Replies: 10
Views: 7544

Re: Harnack's Edition of Marcion's Apostolikon (Gal 1:1-2:10

For comparison, Jason BeDuhn, The First New Testament (2013) pp 260ff To GaIatians Prologue Galatae sunt Graeci. Hi verbum veritatis primum ab apostolo acceperunt, sed post discessum eius temptati sunt a falsis apostolis, ut in legem et circumcisionem verterentur. Hos apostolus revocat ad fidem veri...
by DCHindley
Tue Mar 03, 2015 4:56 pm
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: Did Plato influence the Book of Genesis?
Replies: 11
Views: 12615

Re: Did Plato influence the Book of Genesis?

I'm not sure, though. This is an old tussle. The ancient smear alleges that Plato copied from Moses, and we don't believe that... Why is it a smear? I thought it was Judeans like Philo and Christian fathers who claimed that Plato must have been influenced by the Pentateuch, but that was in an attem...
by DCHindley
Sat Feb 28, 2015 5:17 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Udo Schnelle: Early Christianity and Culture
Replies: 37
Views: 15149

Re: Udo Schnelle: Early Christianity and Culture

A while ago Mark D. Nanos published The Irony of Galatians (2002) that touched on Paul's likely use of Rhetoric in this book. That same year, he edited a book containing 23 essays from the likes of Hans Dieter Betz, James D. Hester, James D. G. Dunn, Paula Fredrickson, Philip S. Esler and of course ...