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Because I suggested X after you said Irenaeus was a fraud you took back your original statement. The idea that only admit 'so much' in order to 'weaken' your 'opponents' case demonstrates that you aren't engaging in this forum honestly and frankly. Yes, I retracted a bit because I honestly thought ...

Bernard originally acknowledge that Irenaeus's misrepresentation of Papias's original reference to oracles associated with Jesus into an attestation for Irenaeus's own 'gospel according to Matthew' I never said that 'gospel according to Matthew' was Irenaeus own gospel, as his fabrication. And when...

to Huller, I want to also make clear that it is impossible to convince a 70 year old man like Bernard 'new tricks.' I am going through the motions with perhaps the most rigid thinking participant at the forum (one who would change his opinion about Irenaeus's dishonesty just to avoid losing an argum...

to Ulan, Justin quotes from what Irenaeus identifies as Marcion's text, at least according to M. Vinzent here. Tertullian, not Irenaeus. Anyway I read the article. That part intrigued me: In addition, Bellinzoni lists a series of fathers (Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, Pseudoclementine Homilies) t...

to Huller, Marutha of Maiperqat. People in the east continued to use the Diatessaron until the time he wrote. The dating is irrelevant to the point being made. Late 4th to early 5th century. So what does that prove? And referring to your next post ("Those of the movement of Simon made for thems...

to Huller, Oh God really. You have one group (Irenaeus's) actively preserving a set of four texts and actively condemning (and destroying) the rest and you want to pretend that's all there is. Well Justin's testimony witnesses the 'harmonized' readings of a 'Diatessaron-like' text and his beloved st...

To this end, we have already demonstrated that Irenaeus lied when he developed a back history for 'according to Matthew.' He took what Papias said about another text and passed it off as his own. People like Bernard want to 'give the benefit of the doubt' to Irenaeus's intentions. I say, when we lo...

to Huller,

Bernard has consistently identified the use of Papias as dishonest until he saw the trap that I was setting.

So, what does that have to do with your wild theories? You make it sound that I opened the flood gate for your speculations (with no evidence I can see).

Cordially, Bernard

to MrMacSon, As far as Bernard's assertion that "internal evidence shows [Matthew] was out in the 1st century and part of its text appears in late 1st century writings and early 2nd century." - please elaborate. I have a webpage on the gospels external evidence: http://historical-jesus.inf...

to Huller,

We even have a testimony from a single long gospel community making fun of Irenaeus's fourfold gospel.

Can you elaborate? Which community, which text?

Cordially, Bernard