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- Tue Jul 01, 2014 6:09 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Does anyone have On the Historicity of Jesus yet?
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Re: Does anyone have On the Historicity of Jesus yet?
... That said... I will try to reserve judgement from here on in until I've read his book... But these are my thoughts from what I know of the thesis...
- Tue Jul 01, 2014 6:02 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Does anyone have On the Historicity of Jesus yet?
- Replies: 887
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Re: Does anyone have On the Historicity of Jesus yet?
^^Hawthorne, I don't disagree with a lot of what you're saying, I just see Carrier's case as more about trying to dismiss the evidence by an infinite speculation about a myth story that no source fully explains and alternate ways to read the evidence etc. rather than seeing the evidence for what it ...
- Tue Jul 01, 2014 5:39 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Real Bottom Line in the Mythicism Debate
- Replies: 139
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Re: The Real Bottom Line in the Mythicism Debate
^Yeah, sorry, my last comment was to Stephan
- Tue Jul 01, 2014 5:10 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Real Bottom Line in the Mythicism Debate
- Replies: 139
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Re: The Real Bottom Line in the Mythicism Debate
^It is explained by the spirit entering him at his baptism, God declaring him his son, and then him passing Satan's temptations in the wilderness 1:9-14. There are three "background reasons" that Mark gives to explain why he has authority. Why do you need more?
- Tue Jul 01, 2014 4:58 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Does anyone have On the Historicity of Jesus yet?
- Replies: 887
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Re: Does anyone have On the Historicity of Jesus yet?
^I'm still waiting for my copy to arrive, but yes, that is where the crux of his argument will fall - how he deals with Paul's (to me rather obviously) Earthly Jesus references. Apparently there's some hold up with shipping due to a misprint and some retailers are holding off shipping until new copi...
- Tue Jul 01, 2014 4:13 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Real Bottom Line in the Mythicism Debate
- Replies: 139
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Re: The Real Bottom Line in the Mythicism Debate
I don't need childhood reminiscences. It's the suddenness of the introduction. It lacks context to explain who he is and why he has authority (which would be expected) He has authority because the spirit entered him at his baptism... why do you feel Mark needs to explain more? This to me is as irre...
- Tue Jul 01, 2014 4:06 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: Does anyone have On the Historicity of Jesus yet?
- Replies: 887
- Views: 607306
Re: Does anyone have On the Historicity of Jesus yet?
MrMacSon said: Saying Jesus had Davidic ancestry seems rather far-fetched: would that be via Jesus paternal lineage or his maternal lineage, or both? The point is not whether or not he actually was a descendant, or if so, through which line. I'll leave that for the Biblical inerrantists (and maybe ...
- Tue Jul 01, 2014 3:55 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Real Bottom Line in the Mythicism Debate
- Replies: 139
- Views: 88963
Re: The Real Bottom Line in the Mythicism Debate
That Mark doesn't say anything about Jesus' childhood says nothing. How could Mark have overlooked introducing the background if there was a historical Jesus? Quite easily I suspect. In Mark, the spirit doesn't enter Jesus until his baptism, so everything before that is really unnecessary for his po...
- Tue Jul 01, 2014 3:39 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Real Bottom Line in the Mythicism Debate
- Replies: 139
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Re: The Real Bottom Line in the Mythicism Debate
But Purple Rain is complete fiction. Prince's dad never died and helped write many of his songs later. Purple Rain was just an extended video to help sell vinyl. It wasn't a historical documentary I agree. But the core is based on a historical person - the young Prince who comes from Minneapolis, w...
- Tue Jul 01, 2014 3:32 pm
- Forum: Christian Texts and History
- Topic: The Real Bottom Line in the Mythicism Debate
- Replies: 139
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Re: The Real Bottom Line in the Mythicism Debate
^I don't see Jesus in the gospels "inverting" the law. He seems to simply have a more liberal view on them, which is nothing out of the ordinary. Jews have forever been debating how strict or liberal the laws should be adhered to. That Jesus seemingly had an opinion doesn't mean he was &qu...