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by Clive
Thu Aug 21, 2014 6:06 am
Forum: Other Texts and History
Topic: Hagarism
Replies: 42
Views: 81708

Re: Hagarism

With regard to the manner of composition,there is some reason to suppose that the Koran was put together out of a plurality of earlier Hagarene religious works. In the first place, this early plurality is attested in a number of ways. On the Islamic side, the Koran itself gives obscure indications ...
by Clive
Thu Aug 21, 2014 5:42 am
Forum: Other Texts and History
Topic: What is Shia Islam?
Replies: 3
Views: 11721

Re: What is Shia Islam?

Is it not actually an ethnic difference? Persian versus Arab interpretations of Islam? And looking at the Ismali view, it is very similar to Catholicism and Protestantism - Sunni relying on a book, Shia on equivalents to Popes! So is the xian split a copy of the muslim one? Or is this how our brains...
by Clive
Thu Aug 21, 2014 5:15 am
Forum: Other Texts and History
Topic: Is the Mohammed story derived from the Jesus story?
Replies: 13
Views: 26787

Re: Is the Mohammed story derived from the Jesus story?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/27096936/Hagarism-The-Making-of-the-Islamic-World The Prophet like Moses And maybe Mohammed, like Moses, was not to see the promised land himself? But was a prophet for someone else? (Which is actually what prophets do! Islam is fascinating in how it confuses prophets and r...
by Clive
Thu Aug 21, 2014 4:55 am
Forum: Other Texts and History
Topic: Hagarism
Replies: 42
Views: 81708

Re: Hagarism

Many of the earlier posts in this thread have unfortunately been lost, so this thread has become a bit disjointed! Before getting too far into specific matters, I would like to keep more to general points, for example the dependence of Islam on Samaritanism and thus the logic of the intermediary pos...
by Clive
Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:14 am
Forum: Other Texts and History
Topic: Hagarism
Replies: 42
Views: 81708

Re: Hagarism

Fighting and civil war based on Damascus! Not much theology!
by Clive
Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:07 am
Forum: Other Texts and History
Topic: Hagarism
Replies: 42
Views: 81708

Re: Hagarism

Very briefly, Hagarism is the idea that for the first couple of hundred years Islam was not fully formed, and its current image was created in Babylon at least a 100 years later, with very strong Judaic scholastic influences.
by Clive
Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:44 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does anyone have On the Historicity of Jesus yet?
Replies: 887
Views: 601774

Re: Does anyone have On the Historicity of Jesus yet?

(And the quote function is not working!
by Clive
Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:44 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Does anyone have On the Historicity of Jesus yet?
Replies: 887
Views: 601774

Re: Does anyone have On the Historicity of Jesus yet?

Miracles having a cause beyond nature? . You would not happen to have a link to the text where Thomas Aquinas writes about this would you? That said I do not agree with miracles being a cause beyond nature. See http://www.newadvent.org/summa/1105.htm#article7 Andrew Criddle Thanks Andrew Not sure w...
by Clive
Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:29 am
Forum: Other Texts and History
Topic: Hagarism
Replies: 42
Views: 81708

Re: Hagarism

"Hagar (/heɪˈɡɑr/ hay-gar; Hebrew: הָגָר, Modern Hagar Tiberian Hāgār, meaning "uncertain";[1] Arabic: هاجر‎ Hājar; Greek: Ἄγαρ Agar; Latin: Agar) is a biblical person in the Book of Genesis Chapter 16. She was an Egyptian handmaid of Sarai (Sarah),[1] who gave her to Abram (Abraham) ...