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hat do you think of the messianic secret? I will grant that it is not impossible for Jesus to have thought he was the Messiah and told his followers to keep it a secret, but does it not, on the other hand, appear to be a pretty good way to designate him as the Messiah only after the fact? Which goe...

Ok, I understand what you are saying here. I would suppose that you might find it difficult to believe ANYTHING written about what kind of person he was or the kinds of things he talked about and did then, if those things are consistent with what one might expect of the Messiah. That is correct. It...

Ok, I understand what you are saying here. I would suppose that you might find it difficult to believe ANYTHING written about what kind of person he was or the kinds of things he talked about and did then, if those things are consistent with what one might expect of the Messiah. ETA: I argued a whil...

ETA: I argued a while ago in another thread that the blasphemy charge at the trial in Mark makes it look like Jesus brought his own fate down on himself: the witnesses were gathered, their stories were not matching up, and so bam, Jesus drops some open, unmistakable blasphemy into the mix, thus gua...

But if they weren't subtle he wouldn't have been rejected, and thus no resurrection and salvation. And on the MJ side if they weren't subtle it wouldn't have take 500 years to construct such a story and have it be believable. I think we are working from very different premises here. I do not think ...

One of the complicating factors is the possibility that a man decided himself to 'fulfill' an emerging view of the Christ from scripture. Yes, that is a possibility. It is one that I do not prefer, however, partly because of the phenomenon known as the messianic secret, which looks to me like a way...

This is a veritable blueprint for constructing a story about Christ out of the raw prophetic materials of the Hebrew scriptures. Or so it seems to me. I agree. But it also is necessary for a HJ to have been validated as the Messiah. If this raw material hadn't existed then it is doubtful that a man...

Agree that Paul shows some definite support for the Passover night idea. I'm just a bit surprised - from the MJ perspective - that he only mentions it one time, and that it isn't mentioned at all in the other writer epistles, because I think it was critical to the whole story of salvation via a Serv...

Yeah, I think that is true. But, to me I think POSSIBLY the thing that brought on an "Aha! moment" would have been the idea that this Messiah Savior was a substitute for the Passover Lamb - a tradition for over 1000 years which was a foreshadowing of the Messiah to come. By becoming the Pa...

In my view a religious figure whose message had to do with the coming Kingdom of God that was crucified during Passover is enough of a backdrop/foundation to generate belief in his resurrection as Messiah for 3 reasons: 1. The thrust of the message as being on God's plans for the future, and the Mes...