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by John2
Wed May 16, 2018 2:29 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.
Replies: 140
Views: 121340

Re: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.

This conversation is reminding of this scene from Can't Buy Me Love.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vujUJDKOkAc
by John2
Mon May 14, 2018 10:44 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Why Jesus was despised by Celsus's Jew as "coming from Egypt"
Replies: 25
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Re: Why Jesus was despised by Celsus's Jew as "coming from Egypt"

Ben wrote: I have wondered before why, if the author of Acts knew Josephus, he reduced the Egyptians' followers from 31,000 to a "mere" 4,000. It occurs to me, however, that perhaps the author of Acts did not want the number of rebels to overshadow the number of Christians in the early Jer...
by John2
Fri May 11, 2018 7:12 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.
Replies: 140
Views: 121340

Re: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.

Good stuff, DC. Thanks. Regarding this part: There is, of course, a Nazirite connection. Something like Rechabite lore could explain how James, a non-Levite person of Judean descent, who practiced a lifelong Nazirite vow, could be considered a "legitimate" priest. Remember who Hegesippus c...
by John2
Fri May 11, 2018 3:04 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.
Replies: 140
Views: 121340

Re: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.

Bauckham writes in Jude and the Relatives of Jesus in the Early Church (pg. 162-164): Throughout the history of scholarship the opponents in Jude have normally been regarded as in some sense Gnostics, and as either identical with or very similar to the opponents in 2 Peter ... Clement of Alexandria ...
by John2
Fri May 11, 2018 2:35 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.
Replies: 140
Views: 121340

Re: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.

Ummm. You are stark raving mad. How did we get so many loony tunes at one forum? Really. I would love to hear why this mid-second century letter which bears a striking resemblance to Irenaeus's attacks against the Marcosians is 'genuinely' the product of a historical Judas from the first century le...
by John2
Fri May 11, 2018 1:35 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.
Replies: 140
Views: 121340

Re: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.

1 John 2:6 is really standing out to me: "Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did" and keep God's commands, which is what Hippolytus says about Jewish Christians in Ref. 7:22: They live conformably to the customs of the Jews, alleging that they are justified. according to the ...
by John2
Fri May 11, 2018 1:16 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.
Replies: 140
Views: 121340

Re: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.

Are you stark raving mad? The Epistle of Jude is 'genuine.' Genuine? In what sense? In the sense that it was written by Jude, the brother of James. The epistle title is written as follows: "Jude, a servant of Jesus Christ and brother of James" (NRSV). "James" is generally taken ...
by John2
Fri May 11, 2018 12:27 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.
Replies: 140
Views: 121340

Re: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.

Since I'm now thinking 1 Peter is genuine (and have for some time as well the letters of James and Jude), I thought I'd take a closer look at 1 John and see what, if anything, stands out as being (in my view) similarly "Jewish Christian," and a number of things do. And after thinking about...
by John2
Thu May 10, 2018 2:33 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.
Replies: 140
Views: 121340

Re: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.

I wrote (re: my division of NT writings into "Jewish Christian" and "Pauline": Jewish Christian: Mark Matthew James 1 Peter Jude 1-3 John (maybe) Revelation Pauline Christian: Luke/Acts John Letters of Paul (authentic and not) Hebrews 2 Peter If we go by this list, I'm starting t...
by John2
Wed May 09, 2018 6:17 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.
Replies: 140
Views: 121340

Re: Papias and the disciples of the Lord.

Not much in M. Nazir, it appears. M. Nazir 7:1: A High Priest and a nazir may not become impure for their relatives, but may for an abandoned dead body. [If] they were walking on the road and found an abandoned dead body, Rabbi Eliezer says: "A High Priest shall become impure but the nazir shal...