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by Ken Olson
Thu Mar 21, 2024 4:12 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?
Replies: 65
Views: 1484

Re: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?

This is the screenshot from the OP with selected comparanda highlighted: Clement - Letter To Theodore - Page 3 Enlarged (1) Red.png From top to bottom, with Tselikas' line numbers: 56 εὐθὺς the accent is written over the final sigma, not the upsilon that precedes it. 60 πλούσιος the final sigma has ...
by Ken Olson
Thu Mar 21, 2024 2:29 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?
Replies: 65
Views: 1484

Re: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?

Here is the image of the two page spread of Clement's Letter to Theodore downloaded from Roger Viklund's blog:

https://rogerviklund.wordpress.com/
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by Ken Olson
Thu Mar 21, 2024 10:53 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Gospel priority
Replies: 99
Views: 2072

Re: Gospel priority

Ken, I'm afraid I will have to decline to continue this discussion. Not sure I agree with the direction the board seems to be going (more angry replies and all that goes with that). I have noticed that you have recently soured in your opinion of me, and maybe pressed one of your buttons. I guess I ...
by Ken Olson
Wed Mar 20, 2024 10:05 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Pseudo-Hegesippus and the TF
Replies: 46
Views: 36367

Re: Pseudo-Hegesippus and the TF

Antiquities 18-20 is not well attested before Eusebius (Origen and Porphyry knew it) Hi Ken, do you recall what references Porphyry made here? Thanks. Porphyry, On Abstinence from Eating Animals 4.11: 11. But among those who are known by us, the Jews, before they first suffered the subversion of th...
by Ken Olson
Wed Mar 20, 2024 11:07 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?
Replies: 65
Views: 1484

Re: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?

Why would either reading greatly change the overall facts? In other words, has the significance been, somewhere, exaggerated? I don't know where Peter was going with the plural reading, but it *could* be taken as referring to the Carpocratian love feast described by Clement in Stromateis 3.2.9: The...
by Ken Olson
Wed Mar 20, 2024 10:22 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?
Replies: 65
Views: 1484

Re: γυμνὸς or γυμνοὶ in Clement's Letter to Theodore?

Yes, a better image would help, and perhaps some more experienced palaeographers participating in the discussion. That's completely fair. I am far from an expert. Just trying to understand better here. But no I don't agree that the final sigmas in the four examples I gave are more dissimilar to the...
by Ken Olson
Wed Mar 20, 2024 9:55 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Agamemnon Tselikas’ Handwriting Analysis Report Did Morton Smith Forge "Secret Mark"?
Replies: 99
Views: 1654

Re: Agamemnon Tselikas’ Handwriting Analysis Report Did Morton Smith Forge "Secret Mark"?

And if the only way you can proceed in this debate is by making reference to my "inconsistency" go ahead. The inconsistency that I brought up in this thread is that you suggested I was being dishonest in questioning whether Tselikas' opinion that the reading γυμνοὶ was whether the reading...
by Ken Olson
Wed Mar 20, 2024 6:57 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Agamemnon Tselikas’ Handwriting Analysis Report Did Morton Smith Forge "Secret Mark"?
Replies: 99
Views: 1654

Re: Agamemnon Tselikas’ Handwriting Analysis Report Did Morton Smith Forge "Secret Mark"?

I wonder if Stephan Huller remembers these posts from the Jesus Naked in the Gospel Thread. It probably doesn't matter to him. He constantly alleges dishonesty in other people, but when his own lack of even-handedness or dishonesty is pointed out, that is and ad hominem or making it about him. In th...
by Ken Olson
Wed Mar 20, 2024 6:11 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Agamemnon Tselikas’ Handwriting Analysis Report Did Morton Smith Forge "Secret Mark"?
Replies: 99
Views: 1654

Re: Agamemnon Tselikas’ Handwriting Analysis Report Did Morton Smith Forge "Secret Mark"?

Even when Sabar couldn't demonstrate Morton Smith ever had one homosexual lover, ever engaged in one homosexual act, we hold on to this faith, the faith of Morton Smith's "dangerous" homosexuality. Even when it is plain that Morton Smith never gave up the priesthood - he lost his faith. I...
by Ken Olson
Wed Mar 20, 2024 5:55 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Agamemnon Tselikas’ Handwriting Analysis Report Did Morton Smith Forge "Secret Mark"?
Replies: 99
Views: 1654

Re: Agamemnon Tselikas’ Handwriting Analysis Report Did Morton Smith Forge "Secret Mark"?

The idea that ongoing discussions between two people, one an expert the other a novice, couldn't lead to the expert to convince the novice to abandon a position goes counter to the whole purpose of higher education. But let's bring in people who don't like me, like KK, to appeal to the emotions of ...