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Irenaeus remains responsible for the carrying
back of Papias ·a generation earlier than he belongs to relatively to
the Apostle, and this is the first point for consideration.

The author of Andrew's linked piece is saying that Irenaeus dates Papias a generation to early correct?

Papias in his second book says that John the Divine and James his brother were killed by the Jews. The aforesaid Papias stated on the authority of the daughters of Philip that Barsabas, who is also called Justus, when challenged by the unbelievers drank serpent’s poison in the name of the Lord, and...

Even when he's wrong he's right!

Arnoldo, the sense of the your comment escapes me in relation to the argument of the thread. I specify clearly that I am doing research under the mythicist assumption, so I find a bit disturbing by you :eh: when, by quoting Josephus, you would like to introduce implicitly the idea that the previous...

John2 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:56 pm
2 John 1:12:

I have much to write to you, but I do not want to use paper and ink. Instead, I hope to visit you and talk with you face to face, so that our joy may be complete.

It's nothing more than a literary ploy, verisimilitude to get the church to accept the letter as coming from John.

No shit, but they have an evangelical paradigm to uphold so

I think that we are far too willing to avoid the idea that the methodology by which let's say the Acts of Paul or the Apocalypse of Paul was created (i.e. out of the rib of older material or references) extended to other canonical texts like Matthew. It's canonicity isn't proof of its authenticity....

I'm struck by the curious phrase "if Josephus is to be believed"

This is what happens when you live in a desert, have no TV, and only one book to read over and over

Irish1975 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:40 pm I wish I understood the question but I just don't.