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by stevencarrwork
Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:24 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Acts as fiction by Richard Carrier
Replies: 135
Views: 86177

Re: Acts as fiction by Richard Carrier

'Peter's vision (Acts 10) closely parallels Ezekiel's (1, 2, 4, 10). ' It even has some of the exact same wording. Still, the fact that there is word-for-word copying won't convince Bible scholars, unless somebody has the audacity to plagiarise any of their stuff, when they will spot word-for-word c...
by stevencarrwork
Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:49 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: FF Bruce: Jesus Cursing Fig Tree as Historical Event
Replies: 7
Views: 7450

Re: FF Bruce: Jesus Cursing Fig Tree as Historical Event

So Jesus felt the Jews didn't believe in God?

Why such casual anti-Semitism from Bruce?

Would he have ever gone up to an orthodox Jew in real life and told him 'You don't believe in God'?
by stevencarrwork
Sat Oct 11, 2014 6:53 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Can Richard Carrier be trusted to write the truth?
Replies: 161
Views: 88078

Re: Can Richard Carrier be trusted to write the truth?

The problem is that "death for atonement of sins" is central to Paul's account, an account which many mythicists would regard as the earliest Christian understanding of the death of Christ. It is very plausible that this is wrong and that the earliest understanding of the death and resurr...
by stevencarrwork
Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:16 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Can Richard Carrier be trusted to write the truth?
Replies: 161
Views: 88078

Re: Can Richard Carrier be trusted to write the truth?

Hebrews is pretty clear about where this atonement took place. Hebrews 8:5 explains that the earthly place where sacrifices were offered was a shadow of the heavenly one, where Jesus was sacrificed. Hebrews 8:1-7 (NRSV) 1 Now the main point in what we are saying is this: we have such a high priest,...
by stevencarrwork
Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:11 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Can Richard Carrier be trusted to write the truth?
Replies: 161
Views: 88078

Re: Can Richard Carrier be trusted to write the truth?

<skip> **************************** However, this is what Ehrman actually wrote: "Where do any of the ancient sources speak of a divine man who was crucified as an atonement for sin? So far as I know, there are no parallels to this central Christian claim....' John T Crucified as an atonement ...
by stevencarrwork
Fri Oct 10, 2014 3:22 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Can Richard Carrier be trusted to write the truth?
Replies: 161
Views: 88078

Re: Can Richard Carrier be trusted to write the truth?

toejam wrote:^Are you asking for my opinion, or that of the author of Hebrews?
Of the author of Hebrews, as you interpret him.
by stevencarrwork
Fri Oct 10, 2014 2:51 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Can Richard Carrier be trusted to write the truth?
Replies: 161
Views: 88078

Re: Can Richard Carrier be trusted to write the truth?

toejam wrote:^Could that not mean (in the eyes of the author of Hebrews) mean that the flesh & blood Jesus here on Earth was the shadow?
So the flesh and blood Jesus was not the one that was killed?
by stevencarrwork
Fri Oct 10, 2014 2:04 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Can Richard Carrier be trusted to write the truth?
Replies: 161
Views: 88078

Re: Can Richard Carrier be trusted to write the truth?

"e argument is; Christians did not get their model of the messiah based on pagan myths but from within the Hebrew religion." Can you explain how you see your lamb god in animal sacrifices? Hebrews is pretty clear about where this atonement took place. Hebrews 8:5 explains that the earthly...
by stevencarrwork
Fri Oct 10, 2014 11:07 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Can Richard Carrier be trusted to write the truth?
Replies: 161
Views: 88078

Re: Can Richard Carrier be trusted to write the truth?

' "Where do any of the ancient sources speak of a divine man who was crucified as an atonement for sin? So far as I know, there are no parallels to this central Christian claim....Dying to atone for sin was not part of the ancient pagan mythology..' Well, I guess there are no parallels anywhere...
by stevencarrwork
Thu Oct 09, 2014 10:35 pm
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Can Richard Carrier be trusted to write the truth?
Replies: 161
Views: 88078

Re: Can Richard Carrier be trusted to write the truth?

So the use of aramaic directly and indirectly in the gospel(s), from a group started in jewish lands, is evidence of a certain historical guy crucified in roughly ad 30 under Pilate? And the Hitler diaries are in German, meaning that they must be genuine. Because Hitler spoke German. Ehrman points ...