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I think it's possible Irenaeus could have known of Hegesippus, but is there any other evidence (apart from the Roman bishop list) that he did (like Lawlor re: Epiphanius and Hegesippus)?

Again, I feel like this is far less strange given that Irenaeus' list is the same list only more complete. Why not use the more complete list? This explains Eusebius. What explains Irenaeus is that Irenaeus is not Eusebius: he rarely attributes his material to other writers by name. He fails even t...

Why would Eusebius cite Irenaeus about this and not Hegesippus if the list came from Hegesippus? Because the list he cites came from Irenaeus, and Hegesippus' list was necessarily less complete; it is natural to quote from the more complete of the two. This does not mean, however, that Hegesippus d...

Eusebius clearly cites Hegesippus regarding these Roman bishops Does he really? He cites Hegesippus as saying that when he came to Rome he wrote up a list of bishops of Rome but when Eusebius cites from the episcopal list of Rome or makes reference to the bishops (in the form that generally resembl...

Sullivan writes regarding the wording Hegesippus uses in his remark about Roman bishops in From Apostles to Bishops: The Development of the Episcopacy in the Early Church : He [Hegesippus] relates that while there [in Rome] he "made a diadoche as far as Anicetus." This sentence was regarde...

Well, Epiphanius actually says "Antonius," which makes no sense. Conjectural emendations have been suggested. Since we do not know what Epiphanius meant there, the only data remaining are that Justus (number 11 of the circumcised bishops) brings us up to Hadrian while Julian (number 20 ov...

This is not quite true. Eusebius says that the fifteen Jewish bishops go up to the revolt, but he then names several more bishops of Jerusalem who were gentiles, beginning with Marcus. Right, but I'm referring to the Jewish bishops, and Eusebius says that those bishops existed up to the Bar Kokhba ...

There can be absolutely no doubt that Epiphanius and Eusebius are using the same list. I've looked into the question of whether Epiphanius knew Hegesippus (beyond the portions that Eusebius cites) and I'm not convinced that he did, since everything Epiphanius cites from Hegesippus is in Eusebius. A...

On my arrival at Rome, I drew up a list of the succession of bishops down to Anicetus, whose deacon was Eleutherus. To Anicetus succeeded Soter, and after him came Eleutherus. But in the case of every succession, and in every city, the state of affairs is in accordance with the teaching of the Law ...

I'm having trouble understanding this argument, so correct me if my summary of it is wrong. I gather it is being argued that a) there was a "first edition" of Hegesippus (who is actually Josephus, as per Clement of Alexandria?) that was published in 147 CE, and b) it or a later "secon...