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by StephenGoranson
Tue Feb 27, 2024 4:11 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
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Re: Why the Hellenistic era for ALL "Old Testament" books should be taken seriously

Russell, you do not know what I have read.
But run if you wish.
by StephenGoranson
Tue Feb 27, 2024 3:46 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
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Re: Why the Hellenistic era for ALL "Old Testament" books should be taken seriously

In a view of a long duration of copying and variant mss a "roughly contemporary" origin proposal is both unnecessary and quite improbable.
by StephenGoranson
Tue Feb 27, 2024 3:08 pm
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: ...
Replies: 110
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Re: Why the Hellenistic era for ALL "Old Testament" books should be taken seriously

Dismissing the fact that the earliest known manuscript does not date an origin shows bias.
Merely asserting that x in your opinion is more Greek than Near Eastern is undemonstrated so weightless.
by StephenGoranson
Tue Feb 27, 2024 8:49 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: Fernando Bermejo-Rubio
Replies: 120
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Re: Fernando Bermejo-Rubio

Though not all here will agree, I think Joan E. Taylor's article Golgotha: A Reconsideration of the Evidence for the Sites of Jesus' Crucifixion and Burial NT Studies 44 (1998) 180-203 is reasonable. From the abstract: "In this study Golgotha is defined as the area of a disused quarry, west of ...
by StephenGoranson
Tue Feb 27, 2024 8:04 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: New Evidence for Celsus's True Word Being Written 177 - 180 CE
Replies: 18
Views: 959

Re: New Evidence for Celsus's True Word Being Written 177 - 180 CE

Celsus was probably dead by the time Origen wrote. I believe he hadn't heard of him before, in Alexandria, or even later, until asked to respond. No threat to his thesis.
If that Jew were well known, why did no one else, that we know of, know about him, or quote his text, or give his name?
by StephenGoranson
Tue Feb 27, 2024 7:42 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: New Evidence for Celsus's True Word Being Written 177 - 180 CE
Replies: 18
Views: 959

Re: New Evidence for Celsus's True Word Being Written 177 - 180 CE

But, evidently, Origen never heard of Celsus nor the (hypothetical) Jewish text during his time in Alexandria, but only later when his patron, who was then in Asia Minor (where he heard of Celsus?) coerced him into writing a rebuttal.
by StephenGoranson
Tue Feb 27, 2024 7:15 am
Forum: Jewish Texts and History
Topic: A quote from Greek Philosophy in the Old Testament
Replies: 4
Views: 404

Re: A quote from Greek Philosophy in the Old Testament

It may be worth noting that in the Academic Discussion, thread "Why the Hellenistic era for ALL 'Old Testament' books should be taken seriously," NG wrote, in part, Tue Feb 27, 2024 2:47 am: "A question for the more hard hearted sceptics who cannot possibly conceive of any serious pos...
by StephenGoranson
Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:06 am
Forum: Academic Discussion
Topic: ...
Replies: 110
Views: 5563

Re: Why the Hellenistic era for ALL "Old Testament" books should be taken seriously

Different views, "hard hearted"? In the title of this thread, "Why the Hellenistic era for ALL 'Old Testament' books should be taken seriously," do note the word "should." So far, justifications offered for that bold claim (e.g., "ALL" is bold) have been mostl...
by StephenGoranson
Tue Feb 27, 2024 4:49 am
Forum: Christian Texts and History
Topic: New Evidence for Celsus's True Word Being Written 177 - 180 CE
Replies: 18
Views: 959

Re: New Evidence for Celsus's True Word Being Written 177 - 180 CE

The book discussed in Jewish Texts and History section,
The sources of Celsus's criticism of Jesus: Theological developments in the second century AD,
Tijsseling, Egge, author
Leuven ; Bristol, CT: Peeters, 2022,
fwiw, suggests that Celsus drew on a Jewish text that he, E.T., dates between c.105-130.