The Biblical God is not infinite

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Re: The Biblical God is not infinite

Post by mlinssen » Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:54 pm

bbyrd009 wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:10 am
mlinssen wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:11 am
Four is an arbitrary number indeed, but it is his whole story behind it that is so very worthy of reading, concise and to the point

I see the gospel of Thomas not in the context of any religion, certainly not Christianity. John just tries to make its author look bad, giving away which text was earlier
ok well ill check out DMR, ty
the gospel of Thomas im skeptible of tbh, prolly the usual misgivings
but may i suggest that John was hiding wisdom from the wise, less than trying to trash Thomas?
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A bit of both, I'd say - John was also trying to convey wisdom, exactly as Thomas did, and it weas the exact same wisdom. Long story there that I ahven't unravelled yet

Check out my translation of Thomas, you will be surprised at the dozens of words that are different (yet literally translated) from all other "translations". Guillaumont, Layton, Lambdin: all Christian authors who interpreted the text through their NT lens

https://www.academia.edu/42110001/Inter ... oncordance

Some examples below; it's a literal translation, word-by-word. I'm working on an Interpretation and Commentary which will be more legible yet still fully traceable to its Coptic source

Logion 74: said he : oh slaveowner there-be many of the going-round within the(F) separation there-is-not anyone However in the(F) sickness

Logion 96: said IS : the(F) reign-of(F) king of the father she liken to a woman did she take a little of first-milk did she hide him in a dough did she make-be he of some(PL) great loaf he-who there-be ear within he let! he hear

Logion 97: said IS : the(F) reign-of(F) king of the father she liken to a woman she bear-under a jar he fill of flour she walk on a path she been-distantiated did the ear of the jar break did the flour pour behind she on the(F) path did…? she know not is did…? not she understand to-toil have make-be she split inward to her house did she place the jar downward did she fall as-regards he he empty


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Re: The Biblical God is not infinite

Post by bbyrd009 » Sat Feb 20, 2021 11:12 am

mlinssen wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:54 pm
bbyrd009 wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:10 am
mlinssen wrote:
Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:11 am
Four is an arbitrary number indeed, but it is his whole story behind it that is so very worthy of reading, concise and to the point

I see the gospel of Thomas not in the context of any religion, certainly not Christianity. John just tries to make its author look bad, giving away which text was earlier
ok well ill check out DMR, ty
the gospel of Thomas im skeptible of tbh, prolly the usual misgivings
but may i suggest that John was hiding wisdom from the wise, less than trying to trash Thomas?
A bit of both, I'd say - John was also trying to convey wisdom, exactly as Thomas did, and it weas the exact same wisdom. Long story there that I ahven't unravelled yet

Check out my translation of Thomas, you will be surprised at the dozens of words that are different (yet literally translated) from all other "translations". Guillaumont, Layton, Lambdin: all Christian authors who interpreted the text through their NT lens

https://www.academia.edu/42110001/Inter ... oncordance

Some examples below; it's a literal translation, word-by-word. I'm working on an Interpretation and Commentary which will be more legible yet still fully traceable to its Coptic source

Logion 74: said he : oh slaveowner there-be many of the going-round within the(F) separation there-is-not anyone However in the(F) sickness

Logion 96: said IS : the(F) reign-of(F) king of the father she liken to a woman did she take a little of first-milk did she hide him in a dough did she make-be he of some(PL) great loaf he-who there-be ear within he let! he hear

Logion 97: said IS : the(F) reign-of(F) king of the father she liken to a woman she bear-under a jar he fill of flour she walk on a path she been-distantiated did the ear of the jar break did the flour pour behind she on the(F) path did…? she know not is did…? not she understand to-toil have make-be she split inward to her house did she place the jar downward did she fall as-regards he he empty

[/quote]ok tks, i'll check it out :)

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Re: The Biblical God is not infinite

Post by Geocalyx » Thu Mar 11, 2021 12:19 am

Nice! I did a literal translation of Apocryphon of John into my native tongue (turned it into a free verse sort of deal after noticing it has a certain rythm to it and rhymes in places) and have been working on a Thomas one. Thomas really is a complex piece of work! I'm not sure how

Logion 74:
said he : oh slaveowner
there-be many of the going-round within the(F) separation
there-is-not anyone However
in the(F) sickness

gets truncated to "many are looking into the well, but there is nothing in it" so often in local translations, for one, and there is nowhere any mention how that child could also be old in seven "sins" as opposed to "days", or for instance logion 74 featuring accumulation of vovels in Coptic;
ⲡⲉϫⲁϥ ϫⲉ ⲡϫⲟⲉⲓⲥ
ⲟⲩⲛϩⲁϩ ⲙⲡⲕⲱⲧⲉ
ⲛⲧϫⲱⲧⲉ
ⲙⲛⲗⲁⲁⲩ ⲇⲉ ϩⲛⲧϣⲱⲛⲉ
... or at least a sense of vocational fluidity that has seldom been accounted for.
The text is taken way too lightly for all its nuance and no amphibolic setups are taken into account in general (seems like 20th century translators were all like OMG full GoT translate ASAP get help from Greek original NOW go go go) so I'm glad to see people doing stuff like this.

Carry on the good work!

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