Book review of Gilad Atzmon's The Wandering Who?

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Post by JoeWallack » Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:27 pm

The Birth Of A Religion
Professor Yeshayahu Leibowitz, a Latvian-born philosopher at the Hebrew University, was probably first to suggest that the Holocaust has become the new Jewish religion. The Israeli philosopher Adi Ophir also pointed out91 that far from being merely a historical narrative, ‘The Holocaust’ contains numerous essential religious elements. It has priests (e.g. Simon Wiesenthal, Elie Wiesel, Deborah Lipstadt) and prophets (Shimon Peres, Binyamin Netanyahu, those who warn of the Iranian Judeocide to come). It has commandments and dogmas (e.g. ‘Never Again’) and rituals (memorial days, pilgrimage to Auschwitz, etc). It has an established, esoteric symbolic order (e.g. kapos , gas chambers, chimneys, dust, shoes, the figure of the Musselmann , etc). It also has a temple, Yad Vashem, and shrines – Holocaust museums – in capital cities worldwide. The Holocaust religion is also maintained by a massive global financial network, what Norman Finkelstein terms the ‘Holocaust industry’, as well as such institutions as the Holocaust Education Trust. This new religion is coherent enough to define its ‘antichrists’ (Holocaust deniers), and powerful enough to persecute them (through Holocaust-denial hate-speech laws).
JW:
A recurring but unintended theme in Atzmon's book is that if you just substitute "Christian" or "Muslim" for Jewish his bad arguments get exponentially better (but they are still bad arguments). Here he hits the gold that he imagines is around every Jew's neck (except his own). None of the items he describes above are in the Jewish religion. Almost all are in Christianity and Islam. He has unwittingly discovered a major difference between Judaism and Christianity/Islam. Christianity/Islam have been world wide ritualistic coordinated organizations that persecute?, they can do far worse than that, have murdered those that criticize them. Judaism is not/has not.
It took me many years to understand that the Holocaust, the core belief of the contemporary Jewish faith, was not an historical narrative, for historical narratives do not need the protection of the law and politicians.
The Holocaust is as historical a narrative as it gets. Again, compare with Christianity which is based on the fiction of a Jesus suffering for a few hours compared to the real history of 6 million Jews being tortured and murdered over a 6 year period. And the contrasts of the fictional accounts of Jesus healing verses the historical Jewish doctor healing more in one week than Jesus did in a career.

By the way Atzmon's charge of Jewish Holocaust blasphemy laws is especially comical. The Muslims currently have a rather well deserved reputation for blasphemy laws in general (and last I heard most Palestinians are Muslim). Generally Jews do not have blasphemy laws specifically for the Holocaust or for anything in general. I think even Atzmon knows we have a quite a reputation for free speech and this is a reaction to the blasphemy laws of Christianity/Islam. The Holocaust blasphemy laws are in Germany. I guess they feel guilty for some reason even though Atzmon is trying really hard to explain to them that they are not.
The Holocaust religion is, obviously, Judeo-centric to the bone. It defines the Jewish raison d’être . For Zionist Jews, it signifies a total fatigue of the Diaspora, and regards the goy as a potential irrational murderer. This new Jewish religion preaches revenge. It could well be the most sinister religion known to man, for in the name of Jewish suffering, it issues licences to kill, to flatten, to nuke, to annihilate, to loot, to ethnically cleanse. It has made vengeance into an acceptable Western value.
Another opposite and again favoring fiction, Jewish persecution of others in contrast to the real history of Christian/Muslim atrocities against the Jews. Holocaust remembrance is defensive. The emphasis is on the victims. Sympathy for the victims and not hate for the perpetrators (here Christian Germany). This is the right way to do it as opposed to organizations that spread hate in reaction to their just cause like Black Lives Matters or Linda Sarsour. Once you criticize another group you are just justifying group criticism which is not a good thing to do for any group whose primary platform is defending their group. Palestinians/Palestinian supporters, are you listening? Another good example of the right way to do it is the ADL. Be on the defensive and stick to specific people and specific speech and action. Avoid general criticism, especially against groups.
Needless to say, a body of ideas that stimulates the conscious mind (ideology) and steers the unconscious (spirit) makes a very good recipe for a winning religion. This structural bond of ideology and spirit is fundamental to the Judaic tradition. The bond between the legal clarity of the halakha (religious law, i.e. ideology) and the mysterious nature of Jehovah as well as the teachings of the Kabbalah (i.e. spirit) make Judaism into a totality, a universe in itself. Bolshevism – the mass movement, rather than the political theory – is built upon the very same structure, in this case the lucidity of pseudo-scientific materialism together with the fear of capitalist appetite. Neoconservative ideology is also in accordance with the same fundamental structure, locking the subject in the chasm between the alleged forensic lucidity of WMDs and the inexpressible fright of the ‘terror to come’.
Needless to say. Again, I want to see his face while he says this.
From this point onward, I shall maintain that the Holocaust religion was well established a long time before the Final Solution (1942), well before Kristallnacht (1938), the Nuremberg Laws (1936) and even before Hitler was born (1889). The Holocaust religion is probably as old as the Jews themselves.
Oh great, Atzmon's tried to steal the moral high ground from us, now he's going to steal Spielberg's time machine.
The dialectic of fear has dominated the Jewish existence and mindset far longer than we are ready to admit. For, while Jewish ethnic leaders have exploited it politically since the early days of emancipation, it is much older than modern Jewish history. In fact, it is the heritage of the Tanakh (the Hebrew Bible), there to induce in Jews a pre-traumatic state. The Jewish Old Testament sets out binary frameworks: innocence/suffering and persecution/empowerment. The fear of Judeocide is entangled with Jewish spirit and culture.
Right, Christianity/Islam have never done that, portrayed themselves as the innocent victims. That in fact is the history of these religions, the Christian/Islamic fiction is fearing The Jews, the history is Jewish suffering. Actually the primary emotion of The Jews in the last two thousand years is Hope, not fear. Hence Hatikvah.
the fact that Jewish-ness flourishes in exile, but loses its impetus once it becomes a domestic adventure.
How has Jewish-ness done in Israel verses Germany, Spain, Russia and every surrounding Arab country?

Judaism now has a country that protects Jews and that was the purpose of Zionism. Syria, Iran and even Russia are now afraid to attack Jews. Why is that?


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Re: Book review of Gilad Atzmon's The Wandering Who?

Post by neilgodfrey » Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:05 pm

So, Joe. You can't be bothered reading the rebuttals to your accusations of antisemitism you so casually spit at Atzmon and me.

Carry on muttering and scribbling to yourself.

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Re: Book review of Gilad Atzmon's The Wandering Who?

Post by iskander » Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:42 am

Mr Gilad Atzmon is a secular saint walking on the path of people like Mahatma Ghandi, Martin Luther King , Florence Nightingale, and Jesus.

slander: The action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation: May they be erased from the book of life, and may they not be inscribed with the righteous.

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Oh Once There Was A Wicked Man And Atzmon Was His Name Sirah

Post by JoeWallack » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:40 am

Then one of the twelve tribes, who was called Judas Izscatzman, went unto the chief priest and imans,
and said, What are ye willing to give me, and I will deliver them unto you? And they weighed unto him thirty pieces of silver.
And said whatever you write we will promote on our blog.


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Chapter 19
In light of The Book of Esther , Mordechai and Purim, AIPAC and the notion of ‘Jewish power’ appears to be an embodiment of a deep Biblical and cultural ideology.
Uhm no. Esther probably had less support for being Canonized than anything else and was generally considered to be non historical. The interpretation has always been survival and hope and not obtaining influence among non-Jews. While Atzmon was busy counting sheep trying to jump over barbed wire fences in Hebrew School he should have been paying attention. And for someone who so easily throws charges of Genocide, Ethnic Cleansing and Apartheid but only one way he should be asking The Question, where/why did all those Jews in Iran wander off to?
Both in Exodus and The Book of Esther , the author of the text manages to predict the kind of accusations that would be leveled against Jews for centuries to come, such as power-seeking, tribalism and treachery. Shockingly, the text in Exodus evokes a prophesy of the Nazi Holocaust. It depicts a reality of ethnic cleansing, economic oppressive measures that eventually lead to slave labour camps ( Pithom and Raamses). Yet, in both Exodus and the Book of Esther it is the Jews who eventually kill.
Early Israel was situated between world powers should it should not surprise that it was historically subject to the above (so to speak). Regarding historical Genocide, Ethnic Cleansing and Apartheid now apparently Atzmon thinks The Jewish Wars are also fiction.
Medoff explores the similarities between Esther’s lobbying in Persia and her modern counterparts lobbying inside FDR’s administration at the height of the Second World War: ‘The Esther in 1940s Washington was Henry Morgenthau Jr., a wealthy, assimilated Jew of German descent who (as his son later put it) was anxious to be regarded as ‘one hundred percent American.’ Downplaying his Jewish-ness, Morgenthau gradually rose from being FDR’s friend and adviser to his Treasury Secretary.’98 Clearly, Medoff also spotted a modern Mordechai: ‘a young Zionist emissary from Jerusalem, Peter Bergson (real name: Hillel Kook) who led a series of protest campaigns to bring about U.S. rescue of Jews from Hitler. The Bergson group’s newspaper ads and public rallies roused public awareness of the Holocaust – particularly when it organized over 400 rabbis to march to the front gate of the White House just before Yom Kippur in 1943.’99
And yet these all powerful evil and wicked Jewish lobbyists who controlled the world along with the US and British military were unable to stop the Genocide of The Jews or create a Jewish Country in time to try and minimize the Genocide. Stopping/reducing the real historical Genocide was never a priority for the allies. Even the revenge carpet bombing of Berlin and Dresden was not revenge for the Genocide of six million Jews it was revenge for the bombing of London and related murder of hundreds.
Both AIPAC and the AJC are inherently in line with the Hebrew Biblical school of thought. They follow their Biblical mentor, Mordechai. However, while the Mordechais are relatively easy to spot, the Esthers – those who act for Israel behind the scenes – are slightly more difficult to track. Once we learn to consider Israeli lobbying within the parameters drawn by the Book of Esther and the Holocaust religion, we are then entitled to regard Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as the current Haman/Hitler figure. In addition to the AJC and AIPAC, President Obama’s Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel and Lord Levy are also Mordechais, Obama is obviously Ahasuerus, yet Esther can be almost anyone, from the last Neocon to Dick Cheney and beyond.
Apparently Atzmon is completely unfamiliar with what religion in the US has the dominant lobbying power.
The American Jewish Marxist historian Lenni Brenner is fascinated by the collaboration between Zionists and Nazism. In his book Zionism in the Age of Dictators , Brenner presents an extract from a book written by Rabbi Joachim Prinz and published in 1937 after Rabbi Prinz left Germany for the US: ‘Everyone in Germany knew that only the Zionists could responsibly represent the Jews in dealings with the Nazi government. We all felt sure that one day the government would arrange a round table conference with the Jews, at which – after the riots and atrocities of the revolution had passed – the new status of German Jewry could be considered. The government announced very solemnly that there was no country in the world which tried to solve the Jewish problem as seriously as did Germany. Solution of the Jewish question? It was our Zionist dream! We never denied the existence of the Jewish question! Dissimilation? It was our own appeal! … In a statement notable for its pride and dignity, we called for a conference.’101
This reminds me of Counterpart, Atzmon is writing about an alternative Universe that split off from our historical one.
Zionism held out great promise. It could convert Jews into Israelites, and identify and fight the Galut , the exilic aspect of the Jewish people and culture. But Zionism was doomed to failure, for obvious reasons: within a culture metaphysically centred on exilic ideology, the last thing you can expect is a successful homecoming. In order to live out its promise, Zionism had to liberate itself from Jewish exilic ideology, and from the Holocaust religion. Yet it has failed to do this. Exilic to the bone, Zionism turned to antagonising the indigenous Palestinians in order to maintain its fetish of Jewish identity. As it failed to divorce itself from Jewish émigré ideology, Zionism lost the opportunity to develop any form of domestic culture. Consequently, Israeli culture and politics are a strange amalgam of indecisiveness, a mixture of colonial empowerment with the Galut’s victim mentality.
Zionism has been a huge success. it accomplished what it set out to do, create a Jewish country that would protect Jews outside of Israel which we are again seeing through emigration from the Muslim antisemitism of Europe to Israel. It's the Palestinians who have the victim mentality.


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Re: Book review of Gilad Atzmon's The Wandering Who?

Post by neilgodfrey » Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:15 pm

iskander wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:42 am
Mr Gilad Atzmon is a secular saint walking on the path of people like Mahatma Ghandi, Martin Luther King , Florence Nightingale, and Jesus.

slander: The action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation: May they be erased from the book of life, and may they not be inscribed with the righteous.

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Joe has made no attempt to engage in discussion or discuss where we have pointed out that he is grotesquely twisting the words of Atzmon and engaging in outright slander and blatant racism. He is doing the same thing that David Rubin does in the following interview. He cannot abide to allow equal time to views he opposes. He has to ignore or shout them down, and unless he can stop the views being expressed or be given free rein to put his own spin on them without allowing Atzmon the right of reply or correction he will simply walk away and carry on his own discussion with his own audience of fellow tribalists:


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A Day In The Life Of Gilad Atzmon

Post by JoeWallack » Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:57 am

I read about "The Jews" today oh boy
Six million holes in Berlin, Lancashire
And though the holes were rather small
They had to count them all
Now we know how many A holes it takes to fill the Labor Hall.
I'd love to troll you on.



JW:
Atzmon blames Grenfell Tower tragedy on ‘Jerusalemites following mitzvot’
Mr Atzmon discussed what he described as a difference between critical thinkers – who he labelled Athenites – and the Jerusalemites who followed “mitzvot”.
He said: “How is it related to Grenfell Tower? Very simple. People who think things through, who understand about responsibility and morality and ethics don’t clad buildings all over the country with flammable materials.
“But when it happens – it is we were following regulations, we were following mitzvot.”
He continued: “Athens and Jerusalem is not Jews versus goyim or Jews versus gentiles.
“Athens and Jerusalem is thinking things through as opposed to following regulations, mitvot, commandments, laws.
The Ten Commandments is Jerusalem. I don’t need you to tell me I should not kill. Athens is ethics, Jerusalem is anti-ethics.”
“Jerusalemites” were not necessarily Jews, Mr Atzmon said.
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“Even the democratic process does not really matter. If you vote Labour, the polices are shaped by Labour Friends of Israel., if you vote Conservative it’s CFI (Conservative Friends of Israel).
The same thing happens in America, in France, and even Turkey is pro-Israeli now.
He blamed “the Jews” for the collapse of the traditional left-wing politics that he said once appealed to him.
He said: “The Jewish lobby is a cosmopolitan lobby. It has turned every person in the universe into a tribe who operates like a Jew.
“Look at it – the gays are doing fine, the blacks are doing fine, the women are doing fine - but the Jews are doing really fine. They have a state, hundreds of atomic bombs, they have F16s, F35s [fighter aircraft].
“How many gays have a state, an atomic bomb, an army? How many blacks have a lobby that shapes American foreign policy so everyone is tribal like a Jew? But the Jews are doing way better than everyone else. “
JW:
My unfavorite part "even Turkey is pro-Israeli now".


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DissConnecting The Dots

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Connecting The Dots

JW:
Chapter 20



That doesn't sound good.
‘The Jewish population in the UK is 280,000 or 0.46 per cent. There are 650 seats in the House of Commons so, as a proportion, Jewish entitlement is only three seats. With 24 seats Jews are eight times over-represented. Which means, of course, that other groups must be under-represented, including Muslims. If Muslims, for instance, were over-represented to the same extent as the Jews (i.e. eight times) they’d have 200 seats. All hell would break loose.’106 Why are Jews so overwhelmingly over-represented in Parliament, in British and American political pressure groups, in political fundraising and in the media?
So "The Jews" have 3 1/2% of the seats (and that includes the self-hating Jews in Labour). What group has the overwhelming majority? Actually the largest over-represented group by far are men. Not a problem for Atzmon. And speaking of over representation, the UK population is maybe 10, 20 or 30% antisemitic. Then how come an overwhelming majority of Labour MPs are antisemitic? Hmmmm?
In practice, Miliband made all British people complicit in a colossal Israeli war crime. Miliband also pushed for an amendment of British universal jurisdiction laws just to remove the threat of Israeli politicians and generals being arrested once they landed in the UK109. Openly Zionist Lord Levy raised funds for the Labour Party at the time when it launched, under Prime Minister Tony Blair, a criminal war in Iraq intended in part to erase one of the last pockets of Arab resistance to Zionism.
The US and Britain attack Iraq and it is a
colossal Israeli war crime
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Miliband, Levy, Aaronovitch and Cohen are all in line with Saban’s thinking: influence, donations, think tanks, media. The Saban formula is deeply brewed in the Judaic religious tradition, and in Jewish culture and ideology.
Yea, the Christians would never do all this legal shit. I guess Atzmon has never been to the US.


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Antisemistry

Post by JoeWallack » Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:57 am

JW:
Holocaust Day – The Time Is Ripe For A Jewish Apology January 28, 2014 / Gilad Atzmon

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However, I would contend that instead of whining about the “rise of anti-Semitism”, Jews better, once and for all, learn to ask why? Why the Jews again? Why are they hated? What is it in Jewish politics that evokes so much resentment? Why does it happen time after time?
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Jews are actually destined to bring disasters on themselves. Jewish politics and culture, unfortunately, is obnoxious, abusive, as well as racist, and supremacist to the bone. Jewish culture is set to infuriate the Goyim just because Jews are defined by negation – that chilling sensation of being hated.
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Many Jews around the world are commemorating the Holocaust this week. But if I am correct, maybe the time is ripe for Jewish and Zionist organisations to draw the real and most important lesson from the Holocaust. Instead of constantly blaming the Goyim for inflicting pain on Jews, it is time for Jews to look in the mirror and try to identify what it is in Jews and their culture that evokes so much fury. It may even be possible that some Jews would take this opportunity to apologise to the Gentiles around them for evoking all this anger.
JW:
I've already said that I think Atzmon considers himself an Antisemitic Artist similar to the Homicidal Artist in Anamorph. The ultimate Antisemistry would be:

What is the most antisemitic statement you could make?

Since The Holocaust is considered the best example of antisemitism the maximum antisemitic statement you could make would be to use The Holocaust as the subject and than switch the blame so that it was "The Jews" fault and that is what Atzmon has done here.

For the young Jews who are newer to this just know that you can be proud, very proud of being Jewish, especially compared to a Christian like iskander, a Muslim like Hatem (yes "Hate em") Bazian or an Australian like Godfree. The most important thing to remember is you have to be bigger than the antisemitism and that means avoiding having a main reaction of anger.


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The Armenian Genocide

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JW:
Chapter 21
From a Jewish political perspective, history is foreign to any scientific or academic method. It transcends beyond method, factuality or truthfulness. It also repels integrity or ethics. Following Shlomo Sand, we can argue that Jewish history is a phantasmic yet pragmatic tale that is there to serve the interests of one people only. It engages with the basic question of whether a given account is ‘good for the Jews’ or not. In practice, the decision on whether there was an Armenian genocide or not is subject to Jewish interests: is it good for the Jews, is it good for Israel? As Sand cleverly pointed out, history is not particularly a ‘Jewish thing’. As mentioned earlier, for almost two thousand years Jews were not interested in their own or anyone else’s past, at least not enough to chronicle it.
Armenian Genocide recognition

As can be seen Jewish organizations generally recognize it as a "Genocide" while Muslim organizations generally do not. That it was a Muslim crime against non-Muslims generally not recognized as a crime by Muslims is primary and should be the takeaway (so to speak).

As always Atzmon is backwards here regarding "The Jews" reaction. As he has pointed out "The Jews" tend to be activists which means supporting every minority, including Muslims. At modern rallies to defend against Islamophobia these same Jewish organizations always seem to be the first to defend.
Lenni Brenner’s categorical failure to interpret Rabbi Prinz’s inclination to collaborate with the Nazis is symptomatic.
Oh excuse me, a flock of owls just flew in the window, "who, who". The statement is symptomatic just not of Jewish guilt.
In the Jewish intellectual insular world, one first decides what the historic moral is, then one invents ‘a past’ to fit.
The Jewish history is that more Jews have died as a result of being murdered by non-Jews than have died of natural causes. To the iskanders and Godfrees, you need to be more concerned about the terrible histories of your religions than you are about the history of The Jews.
It took me many years to understand that the Holocaust, the core belief of the contemporary Jewish faith, was not at all an historical narrative, freely debated by historians, intellectuals and ordinary people.
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65 years after the liberation of Auschwitz we should be able to ask – why? Why were the Jews hated? Why did European people stand up against their neighbours? Why are the Jews hated in the Middle East, surely they had a chance to open a new page in their troubled history? If they genuinely planned to do so, as the early Zionists claimed, why did they fail? Why did America tighten its immigration laws amid the growing danger to European Jews? We should also ask what purpose Holocaust denial laws serve? What is the Holocaust religion there to conceal? As long as we fail to ask questions, we will be subjected to Zionist lobbies and their plots. We will continue killing in the name of Jewish suffering. We will maintain our complicity in Western imperialist crimes.
The answer is obvious, because some people are still antisemitic and write antisemitic books which are promoted as "wonderful" at some blog sites.


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Muslim Political Representation In Israel vs. Not So Great In Britain

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JW:
Muslims in United Kingdom:

Islam in the United Kingdom
Islam is the second largest religion in the United Kingdom, with results from the United Kingdom Census 2011 giving the UK Muslim population in 2011 as 2,786,635, 4.4% of the total population.[3]
Muslims in Israel:

Islam in Israel
Islam is a major religion in Israel. Muslims, who are mostly Arab citizens of Israel, constitute 17.4% of the Israelis,[1] making them the largest minority group in Israel.
So by comparison Muslims are about 17% of Israeli citizens and Muslims (assuming all are citizens) are about 4% of British citizens. So in percentage terms Israel has 4 times more Muslims. Another fun fact which you better read here because you won't be finding it in Aztmon's or Godfree's writings:

Arab citizens of Israel
Most of the Arabs living in East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights, occupied by Israel in the Six Day War of 1967 and later annexed, were offered Israeli citizenship, but most have refused, not wanting to recognize Israel's claim to sovereignty. They became permanent residents instead.[14] They have the right to apply for citizenship, are entitled to municipal services, and have municipal voting rights.[15]
All Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza can apply for Israeli citizenship but the requirements include pledging loyalty to Israel (and what country does not have that requirement except maybe Poland) and background checking and the biggest obstacle, wanting to be a citizen of Israel.

Now lets' look at political representation:

Muslims in UK Politics
The 2017 UK General Election outcome revealed that Labour has most Muslim MPs of 12, followed by the Conservative’s 2 MPs and the Scottish National Party lost their only Muslim MP: Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh.
14 out of 650 in The House of Commons = 2% compared to 4% of the population.

Compare to Israel:

Representation in the Knesset
As of 2015, there are 17 Arab members of knesset
17 out of 120 = 14% compared to 17% of the population.

So in summary, comparing Great Britain to Israel, Israel has a much higher percentage of Muslim citizens, 17% compared to 4%, and Israel's Muslim citizen's are much better represented than Britain's, 82% representation verses 50%. And as far as potential large increases in Muslim citizenship in each, generally, in Britain it's the British that don't want a large increase in Muslim citizens of Britain and in Israel it's the Palestinians that don't want a large increase in Muslim citizens of Israel. That's a long march from Israel to Pretoria. So who's the Genocidal, Ethnic Cleansing, Apartheid country now Britch?

So Jerusalem is a lot like London except there are more Muslims in Jerusalem and Atzmon has managed to move to a more Islamophobic country than Israel. Congratulations. When can we expect his forthcoming book on British Identity Politics (even I have to confess that they do have something of a reputation for colonizing and were the ones who partitioned Israel in the first place (Glen Beck, look out!). I'll even write the prologue:

If Germany (Germany has to be mentioned prominently in everything Atzmon) in the middle has always been the heart of Europe, emotional and easily swayed, and France to the south represents the naughty bits. than England on the top represents the brain of Europe, calm and sensible. Except for antisemitism.


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