Strong Atheism - Omnigenesis

[Cheerful Charlie]

Strong atheism attempts to logically demonstrate God cannot exist. Here by God I refer to the God of Bible and Quran, et all, the God of Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Mormonism etc. The God that is derived from supposed revelations from God, that supposedly gives us trustworthy revelations about the nature and the attributes of God. Basically this God is supposedly
omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent, and creator of this material Universe.

Omnigenesis is a name I have created to label this argument. It means creator of all, not just creating the Universe, but all specific events that take place in this Universe. Each specific event to its smallest part.

If God contemplates creating the Universe, God must choose a specific initial state of creation she will use. A Universe cannot be created without doing so. From any given starting point the actual Universe is created from, God, being perfectly omniscient, will know the future in perfect detail, A claim that is standard theology and is part of many Christian denominations creeds and catechisms.

Because of God's perfect knowledge of the future, God's choice of an initial state of creation entails, perfect knowledge of the future which entails that the nature of the Universe is deterministic in the hardest sense of that word. A state of determinancy means no sentient being created by God in this Universe can have free will even in principle. Each act or thought of any possible sentient being is determined solely by God's choice of an initial state of creation by God, who makes all choices, personally and purposefully.

Thus all acts of moral evil in the Universe are God's choice and creation and only God's creation.

But God is defined as being good, totally good and absolutely good. But God creates all moral evil and thus is not good.

Contradiction. The OEC omni-everything creator God is logically self contradictory and impossible.

It is sometimes argued that we cannot understand good in this context, good maybe something complex in ways we cannot understand. This is not true. God has sub-goodnesses specifically referred to in Bible and Quran. God IS righteous, God IS just, God IS compassionate, God IS merciful. If God creates Jane to be a saintly person who will spend eternity in heaven in eternal bliss, but creates John as a rapist and murderer, damned to eternal torment, God is obviously not just, nor compassionate, nor merciful. If God does not have all sub-goodnesses, God is not as defined, good in any way.

Compatibilism. It is often said that we can have free will and yet God can still know the future, this is called compatibilism.
But obviously, if God is personally and purposefully for all actions and acts that happen, we have no free will,compatibilism cannot logically exist.

Omnigenesis as an proposition demonstrates God is logically impossible. Omnigenesis eliminates all theodicies. Greater Good theodicies, Soul Building theodicies, Perfect World theodicies and more.

Thus the atheist may safely conclude that the class of OEC gods is logically impossible, and all religions thatsupposedlyby trustworthy revelations tell us God is perfectly good,perfectly omniscient and creator of all are also false.

Cheerful Charlie

[beowulf]

Strong atheism attempts to logically demonstrate God cannot exist. Here by God I refer to the God of Bible and Quran, et all, the God of Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Mormonism etc. The God that is derived from supposed revelations from God, that supposedly gives us trustworthy revelations about the nature and the attributes of God. Basically this God is supposedly
omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent, and creator of this material Universe.

Omnigenesis is a name I have created to label this argument. It means creator of all, not just creating the Universe, but all specific events that take place in this Universe. Each specific event to its smallest part.

If God contemplates creating the Universe, God must choose a specific initial state of creation she will use. A Universe cannot be created without doing so. From any given starting point the actual Universe is created from, God, being perfectly omniscient, will know the future in perfect detail, A claim that is standard theology and is part of many Christian denominations creeds and catechisms.

Because of God's perfect knowledge of the future, God's choice of an initial state of creation entails, perfect knowledge of the future which entails that the nature of the Universe is deterministic in the hardest sense of that word. A state of determinancy means no sentient being created by God in this Universe can have free will even in principle. Each act or thought of any possible sentient being is determined solely by God's choice of an initial state of creation by God, who makes all choices, personally and purposefully.

Thus all acts of moral evil in the Universe are God's choice and creation and only God's creation.

But God is defined as being good, totally good and absolutely good. But God creates all moral evil and thus is not good.

Contradiction. The OEC omni-everything creator God is logically self contradictory and impossible.

It is sometimes argued that we cannot understand good in this context, good maybe something complex in ways we cannot understand. This is not true. God has sub-goodnesses specifically referred to in Bible and Quran. God IS righteous, God IS just, God IS compassionate, God IS merciful. If God creates Jane to be a saintly person who will spend eternity in heaven in eternal bliss, but creates John as a rapist and murderer, damned to eternal torment, God is obviously not just, nor compassionate, nor merciful. If God does not have all sub-goodnesses, God is not as defined, good in any way.

Compatibilism. It is often said that we can have free will and yet God can still know the future, this is called compatibilism.
But obviously, if God is personally and purposefully for all actions and acts that happen, we have no free will,compatibilism cannot logically exist.

Omnigenesis as an proposition demonstrates God is logically impossible. Omnigenesis eliminates all theodicies. Greater Good theodicies, Soul Building theodicies, Perfect World theodicies and more.

Thus the atheist may safely conclude that the class of OEC gods is logically impossible, and all religions thatsupposedlyby trustworthy revelations tell us God is perfectly good,perfectly omniscient and creator of all are also false.

Cheerful Charlie

Strong atheism attempts to logically demonstrate God cannot exist.

By choosing what you perceive to be an easy target you make it easy.

[arnoldo]

If God contemplates creating the Universe, God must choose a specific initial state of creation she will use.

What if the universe wasn't created but is everlasting? Mortimer J Adler has an interesting cosmological argument which "proves" God's existense without arguing that God "created" the universe in her book, How to Think About God.

[greggtr]

Pity the OP seems to think "god" is a sexual being....sort of blunts the message.....I assume it was just inserted to be more argumentative...

[Mental flatliner]

Strong atheism attempts to logically demonstrate God cannot exist.

Ironic.

This statement exemplifies weakness.

If you'd like to be a strong atheist, live your life as your religion dictates: without God. Surely you have no need to explain anything?